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Bold Prediction: Alec Burks WILL have a huge breakout year.

NAOS said:
I swear to all the gods, if you sissies make franklin and GVC post less........ I will find each of you.
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You want everyone to treat them special and take it easy on them when they act like dicks and we call them out?

And we are the sissies lol.

Poor frank and gvc. I'm sorry for bringing up stuff those guys said. I'm just a big ol' meany i guess.
 
fishonjazz said:
You want everyone to treat them special and take it easy on them when they act like dicks and we call them out?

And we are the sissies lol.

Poor frank and gvc. I'm sorry for bringing up stuff those guys said. I'm just a big ol' meany i guess.
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The irony of a Burks apologist saying this...
 
franklin said:
You want to cherry pick a reaction after one game where Burks was being a complete ****up on top of a few weeks of ****ups? Tool.
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Tbh franklin (and u know I love you) your overreaction in the posts quoted in this thread is the exact same as the anti-Ty/fire-Corbin crowds who incessantly post the same thing, and group mob any signs of people dissenting against their opinions.

Kwame-Kanter, Burks = worse than Brandon Rush, and Burks = Whaley/CJ Miles are either baseless overreactions, or troll-bait. I don't care for which one it is, but it's ironic seeing you hurling insults at the anti-Ty/ Pro-Burks crowd for thoughtlessly pushing forth drivel without considering any critique of their perceptions, when your 'trolling' (if it is trolling) is equally thoughtless.


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Personally, I always straddled the very middle of the Burks debate. To those who think that Burks was ready to start from day one, they are wrong. To those who think that Burks didn't improve under Ty Corbin's coaching, they are completely wrong.

To those who think that Burks playing extremely well this year will be justification that he should have been starting from day one-- I suppose they could be correct, but I find it incredibly unlikely. Different coaches assemble different systems, which suit the talents of their players differently.

Burks, a ball-dominating wing who shoots among the lowest threes out of any PG/SG in the NBA, being thrown together with other starters in a slow-paced offensive system would be an unimpressive display of his play, and it probably had potential to even regress his development. I thought Alec's minutes were managed completely well throughout his career in the NBA thus far. His defense has never been top-notch, and he has learned how to improve the play of others on-top of developing his own scoring instincts.

Kanter's coaching has been a bit less of a success, IMO. It's clear that Quin has connected with Ty better (not a surprise for a coach who's main talent is reportedly 'player-development'), and several aspects of his game had regressed under Ty. It's fair to credit some of that to coaching.


So full-circle: Zulu bumping past posts of people calling for Alec's head is totally not a huge deal, and I'm in awe with people having their feathers ruffled over it. If Schröder has an unreal season/career this year, I'll laugh every time orangello bumps a post of mine saying how much better Burke will be. If people bumped my Singleton posts from 2011, I'd laugh as well. We are all prone to making judgements (particularly during emotional points of a season), and basketball is a rather unpredictable sport. So, standing on a pedestal, calling people 'tools' for them bumping old posts of yours is an overreaction, IMO. I'd feel the same if Burks collapsed this year, and you started bumping all of foj/Zulu's posts where they compared Wade to Burks, and Zulu called you a tool, asserting that his comparisons were a consequence of "a frustrating Jazz season where we just wanted to try anything".
 
dalamon said:
Personally, I always straddled the very middle of the Burks debate. To those who think that Burks was ready to start from day one, they are wrong. To those who think that Burks didn't improve under Ty Corbin's coaching, they are completely wrong.

To those who think that Burks playing extremely well this year will be justification that he should have been starting from day one-- I suppose they could be correct, but I find it incredibly unlikely. Different coaches assemble different systems, which suit the talents of their players differently.

Burks, a ball-dominating wing who shoots among the lowest threes out of any PG/SG in the NBA, being thrown together with other starters in a slow-paced offensive system would be an unimpressive display of his play, and it probably had potential to even regress his development. I thought Alec's minutes were managed completely well throughout his career in the NBA thus far. His defense has never been top-notch, and he has learned how to improve the play of others on-top of developing his own scoring instincts.

Kanter's coaching has been a bit less of a success, IMO. It's clear that Quin has connected with Ty better (not a surprise for a coach who's main talent is reportedly 'player-development'), and several aspects of his game had regressed under Ty. It's fair to credit some of that to coaching.


So full-circle: Zulu bumping past posts of people calling for Alec's head is totally not a huge deal, and I'm in awe with people having their feathers ruffled over it. If Schröder has an unreal season/career this year, I'll laugh every time orangello bumps a post of mine saying how much better Burke will be. If people bumped my Singleton posts from 2011, I'd laugh as well. We are all prone to making judgements (particularly during emotional points of a season), and basketball is a rather unpredictable sport. So, standing on a pedestal, calling people 'tools' for them bumping old posts of yours is an overreaction, IMO. I'd feel the same if Burks collapsed this year, and you started bumping all of foj/Zulu's posts where they compared Wade to Burks, and Zulu called you a tool, asserting that his comparisons were a consequence of "a frustrating Jazz season where we just wanted to try anything".
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Wrong!

Burks should have been playing from day one because the alternatives were garbage players. It made zero sense to trot out a bunch of washed up vets in hopes of winning a couple more games, but zero hope of actually doing anything, like making a real playoff run. It would have made more sense to get Burks some more experience on the court. Anyone with half a brain and any kind if vision for the future knew this.

The proof is is in the pudding. The player we still have is Burks, not the crappy players that played in front of him. We should have invested more time in him.

Just face it Burks doubters, you look stupid now for hating on him. Face the music now. Pay up.
 
Hack said:
Wrong!

Burks should have been playing from day one because the alternatives were garbage players. It made zero sense to trot out a bunch of washed up vets in hopes of winning a couple more games, but zero hope of actually doing anything, like making a real playoff run. It would have made more sense to get Burks some more experience on the court. Anyone with half a brain and any kind if vision for the future knew this.

The proof is is in the pudding. The player we still have is Burks, not the crappy players that played in front of him. We should have invested more time in him.

Just face is Burks doubters, you look stupid now for hating on him. Face the music now. Pay up.
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An offensive system running through a 1st or 2nd year Alec Burks < an offensive system running through Al Jefferson. The proof was "in the pudding": we had the leagues 4th best offense in one of those years.

Playing Al with Foye > Al with 1st or 2nd year Burks. Burks was not a better defender back then, and his offense didn't suit our offensive hub. Plain and simple. Makes zero sense putting a young player in a role that he won't succeed in. Some of the DNPs were excessive, but a lot of times his superiors deserved the playing time.

In the first year without Al, Burks had among the most minutes on the team.
 
dalamon said:
An offensive system running through a 1st or 2nd year Alec Burks < an offensive system running through Al Jefferson. The proof bence.e pudding": we had the leagues 4th best offense in one of those years.

Playing Al with Foye > Al with 1st or 2nd year Burks. Burks was not a better defender back then, and his offense didn't suit our offensive hub. Plain and simple. Makes zero sense putting a young player in a role that he won't succeed in. Some of the DNPs were excessive, but a lot of times his superiors deserved the playing time

In the first year without Al, Burks had among the most minutes on the team.
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The whole thing was wrong and stupidly built. Al Jefferson shouldn't have been our offensive focus. He should have been traded shortly after he arrived, or never traded for at all..

So it made zero sense to stall the growth of Burks in favor of banging our head against the wall continuing to try out the Al Jefferson experiment.

And I'm of the opinion Burks was very good right from the start. He didn't just start being able to play. If he would have been given a real opportunity to settle in and get a lot of play time, he would have found some rhythm. Al Burks had to play with a different set of rules than Al Jefferson. Burks messes up on D one time and he is benched for the rest of the game. Al continually messes up on D and he is never benched. That is a bad message to send to your players and can only serve to screw with the psyche of a player like Burks. Burks is a much better shooter than he is made out to be. Burks had to play with constant pressure from the threat of being benched if he misses a shot. In short, he was over scrutinized and was handled wrong. Not a great way to develop one of your best talents.
 
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