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Chad Ford: Exum > Burke right now; rookie player that's most positively surprising

kabenac said:
lol. It's great to have Exum. The guy was said to be coming into camp out-of-shape, he's played less than 10 NBA regular season games and... he's 19; and now he's outplaying our starting PG. And thank goodness we have Burks and Hayward starting so Snyder can't merely move Exum to the 2 - Exum needs to be our starting PG. I mean, compare their FG% (Burke & Exum).

And when was this? Because I was hearing Exum-Kobe comparisons almost a year ago. If you've got a link to a Chad Ford article with this comparison go ahead and post it....
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The first one I can find a link of is right before the draft, in one of Bill Simmons' podcasts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRPg3f3lPiQ

There were Michael Jordan comparisons at the Nike Hoop Summit, I don't remember who made them - was either Fran Fraschilla or Ford.

My point was - Ford is not one of the guys who was really timid on Exum, he was one of the people who hyped him the most.
 
stitches said:
The first one I can find a link of is right before the draft, in one of Bill Simmons' podcasts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRPg3f3lPiQ

There were Michael Jordan comparisons at the Nike Hoop Summit, I don't remember who made them - was either Fran Fraschilla or Ford.

My point was - Ford is not one of the guys who was really timid on Exum, he was one of the people who hyped him the most.
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I trust nothing Ford says. I found this older article comparing Exum to Kobe from back in February. It's a decent article, actually:

https://lakeshowlife.com/2014/02/28/drafting-dante-exum-like-drafting-kobe-bryant/

Fraschilla was probably the originator of the Exum-Kobe comparisons. I know he also compared Exum to Jordan prior to the Kobe comparisons.

HOPEFULLY we have coaching in place to develop Exum. That's the key. I look at a guy like Kanter who is physically gifted and feel like he's been wasted to a large degree. I know they're different positions and there are completely different teachings but the Jazz must work on Exum's development.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Burke was decent last year, many have mentioned this before - I don't think his game suits Quin's system all that much. Burke needs the ball in his hand to dribble and probe and make the right play, shooting it off the dribble. Quin's system requires that he give the ball up early and often, shoot when open, and I think Burke is still adjusting to that.
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Trey has been shooting when open, just hasn't been making them. I wouldn't say he's forcing shots at all.
 
Hantlers said:
Trey has been shooting when open, just hasn't been making them. I wouldn't say he's forcing shots at all.
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Coming out of college Trey was I think the best player shooting off the dribble % wise. Under Quin's system it's more: Pass - Receive - Catch & shoot. I just wonder if Trey is more comfortable shooting it off the dribble rather than catch and shoot.
 
dalamon said:
which is telling, as it indicates that we should take your Burke criticisms with a grain of salt.
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If you would like.

I have hardly been vocal about criticizing him this year as I try to stay positive about all of our young guys.
Mostly I have just said that he is shooting poorly.
If you want to take that when a grain of salt then I understand.... still true though
 
let's stop panicking and give this team some time to gel. we have new coach and new system. things don't click right away. and bad shooting early in the season is ok. if this continues by half way point than we should start panicking and reshuffle our line up. low shooting % is a concern, but there are low fg% everywhere. look at kevin love. hell, even bron who shot ridiculous % last year.

hopefully we see more positives than negatives.


but i'm all for trey/exum playing together. that's what i envisioned this team to be.
 
Fabtrey said:
let's stop panicking and give this team some time to gel. we have new coach and new system. things don't click right away. and bad shooting early in the season is ok. if this continues by half way point than we should start panicking and reshuffle our line up. low shooting % is a concern, but there are low fg% everywhere. look at kevin love. hell, even bron who shot ridiculous % last year.

hopefully we see more positives than negatives.


but i'm all for trey/exum playing together. that's what i envisioned this team to be.
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Agreed
 
Exum = raw Tony Parker. He can get into the paint whenever he wants.
Burke = Avery Johnson. Too short, can't create, and acts like he has leadership skills.

We should be shopping Trey. If we can package Trey and Kanter for a bag of chips and maybe another first rounder I'd be happy.
 
The Thriller said:
Exum = raw Tony Parker. He can get into the paint whenever he wants.
Burke = Avery Johnson. Too short, can't create, and acts like he has leadership skills.

We should be shopping Trey. If we can package Trey and Kanter for a bag of chips and maybe another first rounder I'd be happy.
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what's wrong with avery johnson? avery johnson would be a perfect backup PG for any team. if trey doesn't pan out then he will be our long term solution for a back up PG.

it's ok to keep players. if you think trey is that bad, then we aren't getting anything in return anyway. trey is very useful player.
 
The Thriller said:
Exum = raw Tony Parker. He can get into the paint whenever he wants.
Burke = Avery Johnson. Too short, can't create, and acts like he has leadership skills.

We should be shopping Trey. If we can package Trey and Kanter for a bag of chips and maybe another first rounder I'd be happy.
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i do not see tony parker at all from exum.
 
Fabtrey said:
i do not see tony parker at all from exum.
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Tony Parker is probably my most hated NBA player ever. I ALWAYS hated the put your head down and run to the basket and flop hoping the refs would bail you out play, even if it was effective. That seemed to be his go to move. If that is how Exum develops I will be disappointed. He looks to have a little more jaw dropping "what did I just see!" to his game, which I really want from him.

And yes, I know Parker has expanded his game. Still hate him and his flopping though.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Exum not there yet, but yeah I can see the comparison :)
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So was Hardaway always "there"? Could he be comparing Dante to a young, unfinished, pre-peak Hardaway (i.e. comparing their physical profiles and basic skill set)? What's the point of your post? Don't you think he knows Dante doesn't compare to a peak Hardaway?
 
NAOS said:
So was Hardaway always "there"? Could he be comparing Dante to a young, unfinished, pre-peak Hardaway (i.e. comparing their physical profiles and basic skill set)? What's the point of your post? Don't you think he knows Dante doesn't compare to a peak Hardaway?
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As far as comparisons go, it is not bad, but they are completely different players. Penny liked to post and bang and thrived on contact, which I havent seen from Exum (it may come). Exum seems quicker and has better court vision than Penny.
 
NAOS said:
So was Hardaway always "there"? Could he be comparing Dante to a young, unfinished, pre-peak Hardaway (i.e. comparing their physical profiles and basic skill set)? What's the point of your post? Don't you think he knows Dante doesn't compare to a peak Hardaway?
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You know you don't have to reply to every-single-posts that I make right?
 
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