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Game Thread: Jazz Vs Hogwarts. 4 PM MST

JJAS said:
Compared to what? The offense does suffer a bit when he is on the floor...watch that Locke video for the stats. However, his teammates ignore him all game long. He didn't even attempt to shoot more than two shots where he was not getting a putback. When you ignore teammates, the spacing sucks and you don't trust in the pass. Look at the teams that maximize their players. It's always based off of the concept of trust in the pass. You talk about his hand off passes, but that's where he is set up to be within the offense. When he gets it in the post through a pass or otherwise he has pretty good vision, look at the last game for example. In everything in this world, people (particularly fans) are so eager to give half-assed dogmatic assessments of anything. This world has become devoid of accountability in what they say because of forums just like this. The point is that it is almost always much more complicated than "he's bad" or "he's good".
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Stop wasting your time, Cy-anide just doesn't get that Gobert's defense adds more to the end result, and he will get better offensively too.
 
Also, I think Gobert has some natural passing ability. I think he can become a good passer. He isn't a good passer yet though.
 
Cy said:
Compared to our offense without Gobert on the floor. Have you missed the entire point what I said about the offense suffer with him on as opposed to off?

Gobert air balled a 1-on-1 hook shot 6 feet from the basket. I'd rather have him never shoot the ball unless it's within 3 feet of the rim.

He also bobbled a pass Hayward gave him (right in his chest) that would have resulted in a dunk (luckily Hayward got the ball back and actually found him for an alley-oop that he surprisingly caught). The fact is that players know the skills of the players they are playing with. The Jazz know Gobert struggles with passes so as a result they know they have to be selective in what they feed him. You can't just throw any pass to Gobert..
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Holy ****, did you miss my "horrendous shooting" update at halftime. 33% of our shots from three were airballs for all intents and purposes, wide-open threes. Let's tar and feather the ******* for taking 5 shots and making 3. Do you want to mention every time every other player ****ed up in this game?
 
Cy said:
Also, I think Gobert has some natural passing ability. I think he can become a good passer. He isn't a good passer yet though.
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I'm having that carved into marble as we speak. It was as if the heavens rumbled when you decreed that!
 
Crazy how good Andre Miller still is at age 38. It was pretty funny to watch him abuse all of our guards in the post at will. Quin definitely picked an awful matchup to give Clark a shot.
 
Cy said:
I guess JJAS and Jamez will join The Thriller on my ignore list.
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Good god, no. It's actually something that I should have done to you years ago as well. I refrained because you would actually say something that was not dogmatic every month or so. That's actually better for my anxiety level, since I can't stand dogmatic pricks, who only love to hear/read themselves speak/write. I'm so glad you don't do anything to really influence people in real life!
 
I've always appreciated the "you should never, ever, ever, ever play video games if you have a job ever" opinion. Much like I enjoy the "Mormons have a lot of wives" opinion.
 
The main problem with Gobert's offense is his hands. If he could keep the ball in his hands there'd be much more opportunities for the team to use him in O. The problem is, right now you can't really trust him on the low block, simply because in half of the possessions the opponent will poke the ball away. You can't trust him in traffic, because in half of the possessions he either won't be able to catch it or it will get poked away. He needs space in order to be effective in offense, or he needs it up high where nobody can disturb him in catching the ball and finishing it. And it's a shame because whenever he's had some space, he's shown pretty good passing and ability to see the open man.

I have no idea if there are any exercises to strengthen his hands and his ball control... that'd be my first priority with him.

They should make him handle the ball for an hour a day with somebody slapping at it or at his hands... or something like that(I have no idea what appropriate exercise for that particular facet of the game is) :D
 
stitches said:
The main problem with Gobert's offense is his hands. If he could keep the ball in his hands there'd be much more opportunities for the team to use him in O. The problem is, right now you can't really trust him on the low block, simply because in half of the possessions the opponent will poke the ball away. You can't trust him in traffic, because in half of the possessions he either won't be able to catch it or it will get poked away. He needs space in order to be effective in offense, or he needs it up high where nobody can disturb him in catching the ball and finishing it. And it's a shame because whenever he's had some space, he's shown pretty good passing and ability to see the open man.

I have no idea if there are any exercises to strengthen his hands and his ball control... that'd be my first priority with him.

They should make him handle the ball for an hour a day with somebody slapping at it or at his hands... or something like that(I have no idea what appropriate exercise for that particular facet of the game is) :D
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100% this.

Remember that play where Hayward fed him a perfect PNR pass that would have likely resulted in a dunk but Gobert bobbled the ball, dropping it before being able to recover? He kicked it back out to Hayward and Hayward re-ran the play feeding him a beautiful alley-oop. We scored, but we got lucky to get another good look from the exact same action. Gobert misses too many of those opportunities on a consistent basis, which is why our offense struggles so badly with him on the floor.

As a player, it's hard to trust a guy like Gobert. You really have to be selective in what kind of passes you make to him or it's going to likely result in a TO.

Then once he catches the ball he continues to show his weak hands and base by not being able to absorb contact. How many times has the ball popped out Gobert's hands straight up in the air at the slightest contact?

There are definitely ways to improve this, but I fear some of it may be mental as well (definitely the catching part, I think the holding on to it is more physical).
 
So I just got home from work and I have the game on dvr......... should I watch? (how did burks look?)
 
fishonjazz said:
So I just got home from work and I have the game on dvr......... should I watch? (how did burks look?)
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Ya, it was a fairly fun game. Burks played pretty well. Keep in mind I haven't looked at anything anyone said except on this last page. So I don't know how others feel.
 
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