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stitches said:
That's one of the biggest misconceptions about Dante right now - that Quin is putting him in this role. No, it's not Quin! Quin has repeatedly stated that he wants him to be more aggressive, that he wants him to drive. It is not Quin! Right now, Dante is the one who's putting himself in the box of a catch-and-shoot one dimensional player.
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I think Dante is going about his game in a really shrewd manner. What I see is a green kid who has come into a gunfight with a knife and figures it's better to hide his knife than show it to everyone and get killed.
 
stitches said:
What of the things I've said about Exum specifically you disagree with? I'm stating what he is now(catch and shoot player who is one of the most passive rookies I've ever seen) and I really have no idea how anyone can dispute that. I am not saying he can't change that, I am not saying he can't turn up the aggression in the following seasons and turn into more of a threat in the paint and as a playmaker.
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The gap-filling is happening with (a) the way you're interpreting what Snyder has said and (b) by equating all rookies (when Exum is obviously amongst the most raw of the raw). Statistics are going to make him look bad, so look with your eyes instead, where he looks okay relative to realistic expectations.
 
Broncster said:
Also DL has said multiple times that they are not sure which position Dante will play 1 or 2 and that playing/learning both is slowing his progression, but think that will help long term.
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If he plays the 2 it will be a real disappointment. The reason he went #5 is the anticipation he could be a dominant player at PG. Throw him out there at SG and the size advantage disappears.
 
Stifle Tower said:
If he plays the 2 it will be a real disappointment. The reason he went #5 is the anticipation he could be a dominant player at PG. Throw him out there at SG and the size advantage disappears.
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He screams PG to me. He has looked a lot like a spot up shooter recently, but we all saw the games in SL and preseason when he seemed much looser and had decent stretches of brilliance as a PG. Not sure why he camps out all the time now, but I am just going say coaches regardless of what the coaches are saying.
 
NAOS said:
The gap-filling is happening with (a) the way you're interpreting what Snyder has said and (b) by equating all rookies (when Exum is obviously amongst the most raw of the raw). Statistics are going to make him look bad, so look with your eyes instead, where he looks okay relative to realistic expectations.
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And even with that, to say he is one of the most passive rookies he has seen is pretty asinine.
 
Dante Exum on being more aggressive
Yeah, Quin’s been, you know, on me a lot about being aggressive and getting to the basket. And he actually, during practice, was telling me to just drive it, just keep driving. And that’s what I’m trying to do, but also trying to get my 3-point shot as well, so.
 
Vermin said:
On what basis? Impossible to substantiate. I know he says "he has seen". Get that, but it implies that it is apparent to all. I am fine with him as are the experts.
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Good response
 
Primetime said:
Dante Exum on being more aggressive
Yeah, Quin’s been, you know, on me a lot about being aggressive and getting to the basket. And he actually, during practice, was telling me to just drive it, just keep driving. And that’s what I’m trying to do, but also trying to get my 3-point shot as well, so.
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Thanks. I should run through Quin's interviews from the last month. I bet I can get at least 3 in which he talks about wanting Dante to be more aggressive. But I think this is much better and kind of makes quoting Quin himself redundant.

Vermin said:
On what basis? Impossible to substantiate. I know he says "he has seen". Get that, but it implies that it is apparent to all. I am fine with him as are the experts.
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Look at Primetime's quote. I don't know what experts you are talking about, but his own coach doesn't seem happy with his aggressiveness. Of course he won't say "He's the most passive rookie I've seen", but that's completely understandable since he's his coach and it might be counter-productive to call out a rookie like that. On the other hand, I am a fan and this is a fan site where people discuss what they see and I have absolutely no problem saying out loud what I see with my own eyes. Of course that's all subjective and aggressiveness is not even well defined and to different people it might mean different things, or different people might put weight on different things - in my subjective view he is extremely passive. Going to the line is widely considered one of the best indicators for players aggressiveness. I put the stats in the other thread.

Here's a link for you again - out of 1174 rookies in the 3P era who have played 500 minutes or more in their rookie season, Dante is 1134th at FTA/36 at 1.4. I'd say that's "one of the least aggressive" rookies I've seen and I don't see how this is in any way asinine.
 
Stifle Tower said:
If he plays the 2 it will be a real disappointment. The reason he went #5 is the anticipation he could be a dominant player at PG. Throw him out there at SG and the size advantage disappears.
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He has good size for a 2 guard. He is the same size as burks, same size as kobe, same as Jordan. I don't think the size thing Is too huge of a deal. It would be nice to have a huge point guard, and that is probably what exum will play, but if we draft another big point guard like mudiay, I'm sure they could just be "guards" and play great together.
 
b_line said:
He has good size for a 2 guard. He is the same size as burks, same size as kobe, same as Jordan. I don't think the size thing Is too huge of a deal. It would be nice to have a huge point guard, and that is probably what exum will play, but if we draft another big point guard like mudiay, I'm sure they could just be "guards" and play great together.
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That's my point. As a SG, Exum doesn't have a significant advantage over most other SG's. And he certainly doesn't have the offensive weaponry of the top SG's. For him to be a "franchise" player, he has to do it as a PG. Not to say he'll never play SG in some 2-PG sets, but his minutes need to come primarily at the 1.
 
Stifle Tower said:
That's my point. As a SG, Exum doesn't have a significant advantage over most other SG's. And he certainly doesn't have the offensive weaponry of the top SG's. For him to be a "franchise" player, he has to do it as a PG. Not to say he'll never play SG in some 2-PG sets, but his minutes need to come primarily at the 1.
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I agree he looks like a point guard and that seems to be his advantage. The coaching staff says his length is his advantage at point guard but his speed would be his advantage as a SG.
 
NAOS said:
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php...er-a-crystal-ball-for-the-development-of-Exum
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The entire premise of that fail thread is flawed. Quin was not the head coach in Atlanta. 2015 Jazz are not 2014 Atlanta in fact they couldn't be more different and you couldn't pick a worse comparison.

NAOS said:
stitches has gone off-the-rails regarding Dante.
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Except what Stitches says about Quin wanting Exum to be aggressive is 100% true where you are making up drama to stir the pot.
 
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