To Those That Attack Me For My Beliefs

Ron Mexico said:

I have a hard time believing you are living the life you want to if your church wasnt true. But thats good you do what you want to do. There are certainly some positives in following a religion, but there are also some negatives as well. I am happy for people to follow their beliefs as long as they are okay with me doing the same.

For me there is nothing gained by believing in God or following a religion. For me I feel far more happy and enjoy my life a lot more not being religious than I did when I was. I didnt expect that. But everyone is different.

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We’ve met like once or twice. I guess that’s enough for you to form an opinion on how I want to live my life vs how I’m living it.
It’s no secret I’m LDS. As I sit and think about the stuff the LDS church prohibits, I can’t think of anything I’d do that I don’t already. When I tried smoking, I didn’t like it. Don’t really like drinking. I’ve tasted a couple of the beers Gameface has brewed. Let’s just say it’s a taste I haven’t acquired. Dislike the taste of coffee. I have zero interest in cheating on my wife. Don’t want to chew tobacco. Not interested in drugs. What else?


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bigb said:

We’ve met like once or twice. I guess that’s enough for you to form an opinion on how I want to live my life vs how I’m living it.
It’s no secret I’m LDS. As I sit and think about the stuff the LDS church prohibits, I can’t think of anything I’d do that I don’t already. When I tried smoking, I didn’t like it. Don’t really like drinking. Dislike the taste of coffee. I have zero interest in cheating on my wife. Don’t want to chew tobacco. Not interested in drugs. What else?


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Oh, I believe you that you don't particularly want to so anything different now. But had you not been in the religion a long time or were out of it awhile I think some things would change.

There are plenty of things I didn't like the first time that I like now. I am not referring to anything specific with you. I hated beer at first, now it is probably one of my favorite things and I would drink it even if there was no alcohol in it. But there are plenty of things beyond those. Religion shapes people quite a bit. Most LDS people are really really similar. Although I would say you are not one of those.

This thread reminds of: This is why I will no longer make game threads thread.

One Brow said:

In some ways, atheism is the ultimate "I don't know".

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Is there a difference between not believing in the existence of a god and full on denying it? I thought agnosticism was the biggest I don't know.

fishonjazz said:

I agree and I am skeptical. If I had to put money on it I would bet on no God.

However I have always got the impression from atheists that they know as a fact that there is no god.

For me, an agnostic, I have no idea. Any religion might be right. Or none of them. There might be a God and there might not. I have no clue.
My guess is that when I die that's it. Nothing else happens after. But I don't have a strong belief in that theory. Just a little bit more belief in that than in any religion out there.

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See, this is why I need to read the thread before posting.

In my defense there are 3 pages of utter crap to slog through to get to the good parts.

Ron Mexico said:

Oh, I believe you that you don't particularly want to so anything different now. But had you not been in the religion a long time or were out of it awhile I think some things would change.

There are plenty of things I didn't like the first time that I like now. I am not referring to anything specific with you. I hated beer at first, now it is probably one of my favorite things and I would drink it even if there was no alcohol in it. But there are plenty of things beyond those. Religion shapes people quite a bit. Most LDS people are really really similar. Although I would say you are not one of those.

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You didn't drink any of the O'Douls at Gameface's last thing.

bigb said:

I’m not bagging on the non believers here (you’re perfectly entitled to think what you think), but a life not believing in a God and an existence after this sounds depressing to me.
The way I figure is that if I go through life believing in God, and it turns out not to be true, what have I lost?


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For me, it's two things. First, when I figured out Santa Claus, the reaction was yeah, you got us. When I applied similar logic to religion, the reaction was, no, that's the way it is. Second, when I went to private school, when I asked questions during math and science classes, I got explanations. When I asked the same questions in religion class, I got no explanations and that's the way it is.

I can't fathom believing in something that I can't see as anything more than an incredibly elaborate lie. Living THAT sounds depressing to me. Believing in anything omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent sounds depressing to me.

Darkwing Duck said:

You didn't drink any of the O'Douls at Gameface's last thing.

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Haha, those are terrible tasting beers!

True story though. I went to a bachelor party where those were bought for some lds friends. The only person who threw up that night was a lds guy who drank 3 of those, lol.

str8line said:

As Gameface said, you've attacked others with your beliefs. Way too late to walk that back.

If you really are a member of the LDS faith you have learned little in the process. Honestly I'm surprised no one here who is LDS has called you out on this. You bring shame upon your church.

If there really were a just and true god he would strike people like yourself down. Instead babies die by the millions and people like you and Trump continue to live.

I shudder to think that you've had an influence on children as a coach.

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I'm 90% sure this guy is just doing a ridiculous interpretation of a strident Mormon. I'd be pretty surprised if he actually practices the LDS faith.

Darkwing Duck said:

For me, it's two things. First, when I figured out Santa Claus, the reaction was yeah, you got us. When I applied similar logic to religion, the reaction was, no, that's the way it is. Second, when I went to private school, when I asked questions during math and science classes, I got explanations. When I asked the same questions in religion class, I got no explanations and that's the way it is.

I can't fathom believing in something that I can't see as anything more than an incredibly elaborate lie. Living THAT sounds depressing to me. Believing in anything omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent sounds depressing to me.

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It's all about perspective and being honest to yourself I think.

I couldn't imagine imagine living a life of faith (well I guess I can, I was a practicing Mormon for the first eighteen years of my life, and it made me miserable). That said, I see the joy it brings my loved ones and I wouldn't ever want to take that from them.

While we're on the subject of religion and Trump, you can't be a godly person and support Trump. Sorry but you just can't. That's called living a lie.

Darkwing Duck said:

You didn't drink any of the O'Douls at Gameface's last thing.

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That's due to the lack of alcohol I'm sure

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Zombie said:

I'm 90% sure this guy is just doing a ridiculous interpretation of a strident Mormon. I'd be pretty surprised if he actually practices the LDS faith.

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Agreed

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Zombie said:

I'm 90% sure this guy is just doing a ridiculous interpretation of a strident Mormon. I'd be pretty surprised if he actually practices the LDS faith.

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Yeah. He doesn't talk about religion the way any LDS person I've ever known does.

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Ron Mexico said:

Oh, I believe you that you don't particularly want to so anything different now. But had you not been in the religion a long time or were out of it awhile I think some things would change.

There are plenty of things I didn't like the first time that I like now. I am not referring to anything specific with you. I hated beer at first, now it is probably one of my favorite things and I would drink it even if there was no alcohol in it. But there are plenty of things beyond those. Religion shapes people quite a bit. Most LDS people are really really similar. Although I would say you are not one of those.

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I agree with that line of thinking. But if I don’t like the taste of beer or coffee, why the hell would I drink it? I don’t think my palette would change if I stopped going to church. I don’t like jalapeño peppers. Guess what. I don’t eat them. I don’t like cherry Pepsi so I don’t drink it.


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bigb said:

I agree with that line of thinking. But if I don’t like the taste of beer or coffee, why the hell would I drink it? I don’t think my palette would change if I stopped going to church. I don’t like jalapeño peppers. Guess what. I don’t eat them. I don’t like cherry Pepsi so I don’t drink it.


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Palette's do change. Sometimes you just have to try them to get used to them and you love them. Somethings you just dont like regardless. There are plenty of foreign foods or foods I didnt grow up eating I didnt like at first and now love them. There are also things I hated as a kid to eat that I love, I just had to get myself to eat and appreciate them over time. Beer and coffee are some of the most complex flavors of any foods on the planet. Good coffee beans can taste wildly different from each other. Same with beers. There are thousands of flavor profiles that are very very different from each other. Saying you dont like beer or coffee from trying it a couple times is like eating a carrot and saying you dont like any vegetable because you tried a carrot.

But those are really minor things. Its not like those are really that big of a difference. For me its just more of a cultural difference and experiences to be had are different. But if you're happy and you're helping your family be happy and not preventing others from living their life as they want to then good for you and keep it up!

My major complaint about church is indoctrinating kids into it. But I also understand why parents do it. They believe they are right and everyone else is wrong.

bigb said:

We’ve met like once or twice. I guess that’s enough for you to form an opinion on how I want to live my life vs how I’m living it.
It’s no secret I’m LDS. As I sit and think about the stuff the LDS church prohibits, I can’t think of anything I’d do that I don’t already. When I tried smoking, I didn’t like it. Don’t really like drinking. I’ve tasted a couple of the beers Gameface has brewed. Let’s just say it’s a taste I haven’t acquired. Dislike the taste of coffee. I have zero interest in cheating on my wife. Don’t want to chew tobacco. Not interested in drugs. What else?


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You don't miss what you don't know. So, living an insulated life can be a happy one, like primitive people on a South Pacific island. But experience enrichens life and adds to it. They are two sides of the coin, so to speak. The important thing is that you are free to choose the path you follow.

str8line said:

While we're on the subject of religion and Trump, you can't be a godly person and support Trump. Sorry but you just can't. That's called living a lie.

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Now you’ve hit the nail. To associate Trump to anything God is a travesty, if not just for his racist views.

fishonjazz said:

I mean i guess there could be such thing as an invisible unicorn. Or another dimension in which there is a unicorn in my living room. I doubt it but i cant know everything thats possible.


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Gameface said:

If I told you there was an invisible unicorn in your living room would you be on the fence as to the possibility? When someone claims God exists they have to substantiate the claim. I don't have to give the notion serious consideration until they do. I call that atheism.

I don't have to prove anything. I don't have to make any assertions. There is no reason to think God exists, so I assume no God exists.

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I think Fish has made the most interesting point here.

How do you know there isnt an invisible unicorn in your living room in another dimension?

If you pay any attention to scientists, most believe that the universe is infinite, there are quite possibly other dimensions, other universes inside black holes, an infinite number possibilities, multiple versions of yourself and yourlife. And that time travel is probably possible. You also got quantum mechanics and all its craziness. We can communicate through airwaves, etc..

But ya @Gameface . The possibility of a god is just so far fetched. We are pretty much watching a magic show right in front of our eyes and you seem to think its just normal and no bid deal.

You dont have the slightest clue wtf is happening. Neither do I. Claiming you know there isnt a god is just as dumb as claiming you know there isnt. Maybe god really exists if you believe it does and it really doesnt if you dont believe. It could really be that weird.

If all the smartest people in the world havent figured out quite what the hell is going on, then I seriously doubt that you have.

How is the idea of there being a god any weirder and more far fetched than the idea of a multiverse and different dimensions and different versions of yourself?

NPC D4617 said:

I think Fish has made the most interesting point here.

How do you know there isnt an invisible unicorn in your living room in another dimension?

If you pay any attention to scientists, most believe that the universe is infinite, there are quite possibly other dimensions, other universes inside black holes, an infinite number possibilities, multiple versions of yourself and yourlife. And that time travel is probably possible. You also got quantum mechanics and all its craziness. We can communicate through airwaves, etc..

But ya @Gameface . The possibility of a god is just so far fetched. We are pretty much watching a magic show right in front of our eyes and you seem to think its just normal and no bid deal.

You dont have the slightest clue wtf is happening. Neither do I. Claiming you know there isnt a god is just as dumb as claiming you know there isnt. Maybe god really exists if you believe it does and it really doesnt if you dont believe. It could really be that weird.

If all the smartest people in the world havent figured out quite what the hell is going on, then I seriously doubt that you have.

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Let's say there is God. Where did it come from?

The only way to realistically look at it in my opinion is we have no idea what is in charge, where it came from and how it relates to us. No one knows or ever will.

And to think there is a God looking out for us is ridiculous IMO. I'm perfectly fine with not knowing and not making something up to act like I know.

We mean nothing. We are a infinitesimally tiny pimple on the *** of the universe. And there are probably other str8lines, Fish's, Jazzta's, Gameface's, NPC's etc. somewhere in the universe having this same conversation right now.