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Elizah Huge said:
If the Knicks want to give us 7-8 1sts total we will take him though. Would be hilarious if that happened and we rehabbed his value then flipped him for more picks.
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Yeah, or that gives the Knicks the springboard to success that legitimately endangers the premium value of the return. I am dead set on him not being in any deal we are a part of.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
That's weird to me. I would assume getting Donovan would make them more likely to keep Randle.

If that the case, then the Jazz definitely arent getting Obi.
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I don’t think that’s true, but on the flip side of your point; getting Obi and sticking Randle with them makes them very thin at PF and makes them even more reliant on Randle. For that reason alone, getting Obi is a piece that is a sticking point for me.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Yeah, or that gives the Knicks the springboard to success that legitimately endangers the premium value of the return. I am dead set on him not being in any deal we are a part of.
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I think the only reason I might consider it is if our deal is say 5 picks for Don and no Randle... and we know they can move Randle for 2 of those picks in a separate deal... then you might think they will move him anyway... you might as well get those picks.

But yeah... Let them figure that **** out and pawn that deal off... make sure to extract enough **** in the Don deal to ensure it isn't easy.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think the only reason I might consider it is if our deal is say 5 picks for Don and no Randle... and we know they can move Randle for 2 of those picks in a separate deal... then you might think they will move him anyway... you might as well get those picks.

But yeah... Let them figure that **** out and pawn that deal off... make sure to extract enough **** in the Don deal to ensure it isn't easy.
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I had this thought right before seeing your reply. So:

As part of the talks, if/when Randle comes up, the Jazz see if the Knicks have a deal lined up for Randle. If that’s verified somehow, yeah, just grab more assets and take him in. Then you trade him for a smaller deal in a year or straight up buy him out then. I don’t want him poisoning the culture beyond recovery.
 
I heard something about Hayward/Washington for Randle.

I'm sure it would include one or two of those protected 1st the Knicks have from other teams.
 
I can see a Knicks Lakers deal for a Randle/Westbrook swap if the Lakers can keep their picks. But yeah that's a slim possibility.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
IF you want to compare Donovan Mitchell to an all time great, he aligns much more similarly to Allen Iverson than he does Stephen Curry.
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People are just over focusing on 3pt shooting. Obviously nearly anyone you compare Donovan too pre-2010 is going to shoot way less and way worse at 3's.

I agree though. Donovan is the modern day AI. And if you want to compare Donovan to a modern day player, it would be Damian Lillard, not Steph, given his shot profile and playstyle more closely mirrors Lillard.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I heard something about Hayward/Washington for Randle.

I'm sure it would include one or two of those protected 1st the Knicks have from other teams.
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Especially if they got Washington. Wrap him up in our deal and send him to us.

Hornets do seem like a team that would get Randle... cuz they dumb.
 
Supposedly Cavs are offering Sexton 3/40M.... that seems pretty wild. Need to work a sign and trade for him. Have to keep them under the tax and match salary. Send a second rounder or two to grease they palms if we need.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Supposedly Cavs are offering Sexton 3/40M.... that seems pretty wild. Need to work a sign and trade for him. Have to keep them under the tax and match salary. Send a second rounder or two to grease they palms if we need.
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Not a fan of a Mitchell/Sexton backcourt. If Mitchell is traded, especially if that drops the Jazz out of the salary cap, than that could be a good place to go. Something like 2/45 if you can get that far under. Good value for both sides.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The reports are from a guy that said the Don trade was basically done a week ago or whatever. They also may want to move on from Randle and are smart enough to know its a good idea, but that doesn't mean another team will bite. Especially not with compensation. I saw reports earlier in the offseason that they weren't going to trade him at his lowest value... in part because it would require some assets.

Their first step needs to be to get Don... you can figure out the rest later. We don't have to solve all their problems. If they want our star they need to pay... that price will hurt their ability to improve beyond that... but their current path is less bright without Donovan. Randle is their problem to solve. If we take him it is because we got like 7/8 firsts and they paid a "randle" tax to do so.
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Just my opinion ...

The ways in which we're "solving their problem" shouldn't to be taken any more seriously than the guy you reference (a guy Knicks fans mock in general, to be sure, but they also acknowledge he's probably stumbled across a correct opinion about Randle).

The trade ideas I've seen here -- the ones that the post I responded to was trying to tamp down on -- essentially have Randle replacing Russ in LA (nobody was saying to take him in Utah, btw). That's less believable than the idea that the Knicks don't want to have both DM and Randle. Lakers aren't going to take on Randle's 4-year contract just to (or even as part of) getting rid of Russ. They're especially not going to be adding picks to the process in order to do so (in spite of a few trade ideas thrown around here on Jazzfanz).
 
framer said:
But we need to make that their problem and not ours.
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I can agree with this. I just don't think we should make locking NY into four more years of Randle a top priority (I don't think we have the ability to do that, to be honest). And I don't think somehow getting the odds stacked against Randle moving on from the Knicks (even as nice as it would be) should be regarded as a deal-breaker.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I’ve seen enough of this general outline to say the following to everyone.

Stop trying to help the Knicks so much. Randle is the key to them being dog ****. Him staying in NY to the best of our ability is central to the plan:

-he is bad salary
-he is a locker room cancer
-he doesn’t make anyone around him better
-he prefers the mid-range, isn’t particularly good there, and puts blinders on in the high-post
-he isn’t really a PnR player
-he is not a spacer and can go on horrendous shooting streaks

Mitchell Robinson also is a bad screen setter. Donovan is gonna be in for a rude awakening when he has no lane and no one setting good screens. It’s perfect.
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I get all this. My thinking was to facilitate things so that we'd be the ones that benefited from the Lakers 1st rounders. There's a scenario where we do the two team trade for Donovan, and then NYK does a 2nd trade to deal Randle to LAL for Westbrook (obviously other pieces would be included), and NYK gets a 1st rounder from LAL. But I definitely agree with the sentiment that Randle staying on NYK is good for us if we have their picks.
 
Do we have a player combination that could get us to a 4 year 17.5 million dollar per year deal for Sexton? Getting him for 2 years would be a waste of our time because if he gets value, he'd be an expiring the next year. The new "moneyball" won't be advanced stats but getting great players (preferably young) on great and long contracts. Those guys are worth more than draft picks IMO. 17-20 million for Sexton when the salary cap is going to explode is a pretty great investment.

Pat Bev + NAW gets us to 18 million. Cleveland would actually have a use for Pat Bev. It also pushes them out of the tank which is good for us too.
 
framer said:
Do we have a player combination that could get us to a 4 year 17.5 million dollar per year deal for Sexton? Getting him for 2 years would be a waste of our time because if he gets value, he'd be an expiring the next year. The new "moneyball" won't be advanced stats but getting great players (preferably young) on great and long contracts. Those guys are worth more than draft picks IMO. 17-20 million for Sexton when the salary cap is going to explode is a pretty great investment.

Pat Bev + NAW gets us to 18 million. Cleveland would actually have a use for Pat Bev. It also pushes them out of the tank which is good for us too.
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The Cavaliers were one of the worst 3P shooting teams in the league last year and don't have a ton of size on the wing. I think the two packages that'd make the most sense would be either Beasley/Gay or Bojan for Sexton.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Supposedly Cavs are offering Sexton 3/40M.... that seems pretty wild. Need to work a sign and trade for him. Have to keep them under the tax and match salary. Send a second rounder or two to grease they palms if we need.
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I wonder what the chances are that he just plays next season on the qualifying offer ($8.5M) and then tries his luck in RFA next offseason. As it stands there aren't any teams that can really give him a big offer sheet and there seem to be only a couple of teams (Utah, Miami) that are interested in a potential S&T for him. But both teams interest in him is dependent on if they make other trades.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I'm not sure how the win projections are calculated, but the Lakers go up by 10 wins. That's pretty good. I'm guessing it's mostly based off of moving away from Westbrook and Adding Conley and Bogey.
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That's the point. If LA want to win before the end of LB/AD era, that's something they should consider. With those player and if AD is healthy, they will be very good.
 
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