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NUMBERICA said:
His athleticism is really good overall, but I agree that his burst is not that impressive. I also think his passing and reads are overrated. Just for example, Keyonte gets over his skis and Bufkin needs more development, but highlight to highlight, they look more impressive to me than Black. I know there is a lot more to the game than wow-factor (as Stockton should have taught us), but zip and flash create more options than more ho-hum stuff does.

There is a lot of upside with Black, though. He does have good feel, he does play hard, and he is big. That's enough that he goes and (probably) should be in the top-11 group. But TLDR; I agree that I would rather someone else take him.
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I've gone back and forth between Black and Wallace. I have my concerns with Black but I would be comfortable betting on him.
 
sojodave said:
I am fasting between meals that the Jazz don't drat Anthony Black. The Dude has low athleticism, terrible shooting form, and has bust written all over him. This guarantees he will get drafted by the Jazz. You can blame Hayward on me.
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I hated the hayward pick at the time but he made the all star team and got a max contract so as it turns out, that was great pick.
 
Gone back and forth so many times on Anthony Black. I do think they are the most likely players we draft at #9.

Last week I pushed him ahead of Wallace, but I'm not liking how he gets around screens. I think my concerns about his PG skills have lessened, especially under Hardy, but I think his defense has dropped a notch or two for me. Still very good defensively obviously.
 
We all know that David Locke stat deep dive isn't always accurate; HOWEVER, he did have stats on players who show low athleticism, and Anthony Black was on that list. Anthony Black is also on my list of players who can't shoot to save their lives. I always wonder, can you teach someone who can't shoot to be a good shooter???
 
sojodave said:
We all know that David Locke stat deep dive isn't always accurate; HOWEVER, he did have stats on players who show low athleticism, and Anthony Black was on that list. Anthony Black is also on my list of players who can't shoot to save their lives. I always wonder, can you teach someone who can't shoot to be a good shooter???
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I wasn't impressed by Black's shooting either, but I wonder how much of that was NSJ's health since that shifted more of the perimeter defense toward Black. The thing that bugged me with Black was that he looked like he was not even in the game when the ball was not in his hands. However, he has great size and defended well. He is a decent option at 9, but is not my top realistic choice.
 
sojodave said:
We all know that David Locke stat deep dive isn't always accurate; HOWEVER, he did have stats on players who show low athleticism, and Anthony Black was on that list. Anthony Black is also on my list of players who can't shoot to save their lives. I always wonder, can you teach someone who can't shoot to be a good shooter???
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What stats show low athleticism? Lmao
 
I’ve said it before and I will keep saying it. 3PT% as a freshman in college is pretty much a useless stat when trying to project if a player will be able to shoot it well in the NBA. The spacing in college basketball is terrible and defenses are designed to stop one or two guys.
 
The two things Locke considers for athleticism are transition percentile (horrible) and isolation percentile (kinda, but not really). Transition = athleticism makes sense, but transition percentile =/= transition ability. Not even close. It doesn't surprise me that Black ranks low in those categories because of the nature of those numbers. This is going to make certain people butthurt, but this is a terrible way to assess functional athleticism.
 
I think Anthony Black is an OK passer and maybe even better if you do the "for being 6'7" qualifier, but I do not agree that he is an elite passer and I this is where the common comparisons of Lonzo/Giddey fall apart. Those guys are truly elite passers and would still be considered elite if they were 6'1. If we're considering Black elite we're tossing the term around to loosely IMO.

I thought Cason was just as good and probably a better passer/playmaker than Black this year, but I don't see anyone calling him an elite passer and player. Nor should they.
 
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