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Sardines said:
I've talked to dudes who have trucks and don't seem to need them for anything and one of them said "What If I buy a fridge? How will I get it home?" Well, there's this insane new service that has been invented called "delivery." It might cost $50 bucks or so to deliver the fridge if they don't offer it for free, which is a fraction of a single truck oil change.

I think what he meant to say is that he can attach WAY more Trump flags to his truck then he could if he had a sensible 4 door sedan.
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You can rent a big ol truck from home depot for like $18
 
fishonjazz said:
You can rent a big ol truck from home depot for like $18
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Exactly. For very occasional needs you can rent a truck and literally save yourself 25% the price of a middle class home over 10 years vs buying, filling with gas, buying tires for, doing maintenance on a big truck.

I have had to take loads to the dump a few times over the last several years. I get a U-Haul (they're completely "covered" which the dump requires) and it's less than $100 all said and done.
 
Sardines said:
You can Vance if you want to
You can leave good sense behind
'Cause your friends don't Vance
and since they don't Vance
Well, they're good friends of mine

I say, we can vote how we want to
For a peace we've yet to find
and we can act like you come from out of this world
You've left kindness far behind
You can Vance

We can vote how we want to
Kamala Harris is young and so am I
She dresses real neat from her hat to her feet
She'll surprise you with a victory cry

I say, we can vote how we want to
If we don't nobody will
Trump acts real rude
and totally removed
He acts just like an imbecile

I say, we can vote how we want to
JD Vance is out of control
You can Vance, you can Vance
He'll have watchers at every poll
You can Vance, you can Vance
Everybody look at JD Vance
You can Vance, you can Vance
But is it worth taking the chance

JD Vance
Well it's JD Vance
Yes it's JD Vance

You can Vance if you want to
He'll risk all your rights and mine
JD Vance will abuse it
JD Vance is gonna lose it
Everything's gonna work out fine

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Ha! Nice.
 
MVP said:
I drive a truck. But I fish and need to tow the boat pretty much every weekend during summer and no SUW( except of maybe Expedition ) can match towing ability of a truck.
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I can sound super negative about trucks, but I absolutely understand that they are the thing you need to do certain other things. No criticism at all. And I assume some people who need a truck for something then get one and it becomes their everyday car because they spent their car money on that truck. It makes sense. But I will say, consider the guy I mentioned, get a very cheap beater car for A to B and picking up some fast food if the other option is a truck. I get that a lot of people don't want to be seen in a super crappy car. Those aren't people I care about.
 
Bucknutz said:
Solid post and I do agree with a lot that you are saying. Especially growing the economy and naturally adding jobs and wages.

Agreed

Agreed and try to work, correct. Which again, Im not faulting them at all, this is not on them. They are wanting to get a head and there is a lot of honor in that.

Is it legal immigration or illegal immigration? Is it when they bring over need based immigrants or a large amount of similar low skilled labor?



This is a low skilled immigrant that doesn't have the funds to start anything, like majority of the illegal immigrants I'm talking about.

Again, this is low skilled labor, are you saying they came over, had housing in place, funds coming in and paid for medical insurance?

This is what happens, when you take a majority of low skilled labor. If 3 millions doctors crossed the border and settled here, what do you think would happen the medical field? What do you think would happen to American Doctors? What do you think would happen with the 3 millions doctors where there are no jobs for them and they don't have the money to start practices?

Im not anti-immigration, even though my posts might sound like it some times. I fully believe that we need to pause adding anymore people, see what we have, what we need to do to help everyone out who is there, get our house in order and then resume need based immigration. We need 500k people the following year in low skilled labor, let's get them in. We need 30k nurses, let's go get them.
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One point I’m gathering from your posts, which seems entirely lost on others, is the massive amount of net migration over the last few of years. No doubt immigration improves the economy (+population growth), that’s Econ 101. However, when immigration is too large then it can become destabilizing and overwhelm our systems. There is zero doubt the massive influx post-Covid had a strong inflationary effect on shelter, by far the largest (and still persistent) contributor to the high inflation. That’s just one area. Many reports on HC system being overwhelmed in several locations.

Anyway, maybe a chart showing just how far above and beyond trend immigration has been up until recently might help others at least fully comprehend your view. I saw an interesting chart on border stops. Massive spike, not even comparable to later years.
 
JimLes said:
But this isn't how the market works at all. Nor did the government create the initial issue.

For one, the market may not simply drive wages up, but rather force those companies to leave. In a globalized economy, those factories and plants don't need to be in Springfield. They don't even need to be in the US, and Canada is just a couple of hundred kilometres from Springfield. Not just any Canada either, but the part with all the people.

And again, the government didn't create this. You could argue the companies in question did by hiring cheaper labour, but labour follows jobs. If the factories were opened elsewhere, the immigrants would go to those places.

Remember that the reason these companies moved into Springfield was that the local government was desperately trying to attract them and revitalized the place. This is a city that's been steadily losing population over the past 50 years. I'm sure the companies were offered something by the city to move to that area, but then if that didn't happen, there would still be no jobs for the locals.

I get that you think the ideal situation would have been for all these companies to come into Springfield, only hire locals at high wages, and do all this out of the goodness of their hearts, but it's not realistic. Huge swathes of the country are demographically and economically dying, and people are upset about anything that even remotely helps improve that.

I mean, what are you suggesting should've been done here since you didn't want Haitians in? How can Springfield gain jobs and population and expanding its tax base without this?


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You make some solid points here Jim but you are overplaying your hand. You might have top pair but definitely no full house.

Globalization isn’t a catchphrase meaning all production goes to the lowest priced labor. There are 7 billion people on this spinning rock and the vast majority are poorer to extremely poorer than US citizens. The way you’re making this sound, every job would have left the United States decades ago. Truth is, there is much more to business than labor costs, many service jobs cannot be offshored (≈70% of GDP), nor can much of the production for that matter, and foreign trade is a relatively minor portion of US GDP.

Essentially, you are attempting to force an ill-formed macro perspective onto micro (individual businesses) as if it means anything at all, which it doesn’t in the majority of present situations.
 
MVP said:
I drive a truck. But I fish and need to tow the boat pretty much every weekend during summer and no SUW( except of maybe Expedition ) can match towing ability of a truck.
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Ya I had a Silverado up until 2022 to pull my trailer.
I hated driving it though and hated parking it and hated that it took up so much of my garage to the point that I decided to downsize to a pop up trailer and sell my Silverado. So now I drive a 4runner which I like much much better. I have so much more room in my garage now. Plus I love that I can go on overnight fishing trips and sleep in the 4runner. Just went on one earlier this week (Monday night) and I'm taking the family camping in the popup next week. (I do miss our old trailer though. Don't miss the Silverado at all)

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I saw a lot of praise for the civility of the VP debate. Well, there would be a lot more civility if we simply get rid of trump. He is the one that makes up names for everyone (sleepy Joe, Crooked Hillary, Lyin/Crazy Kamala... If you google "trump nicknames for opponents 66 results come up lol). He calls his political opponents wives fat.
“Kamala is mentally impaired,” he said at a rally in Wisconsin, later adding, “Joe Biden became mentally impaired — Kamala was born that way.”
“She is a very dumb person, and we can’t do that. We can’t do that. I don’t want to be rude,” he said at a separate event in Pennsylvania.


Uncivil discourse is the effect of trump.

I was listening to KSL1160 on the way to work this morning and they had a reporter on talking about Liz Cheney giving a speech at a Kamala Harris event. Then the morning show hosts asked the reporter if trump had responded and before she answered I was thinking "duh, of course he responded. He never shuts up. He is thin skinned, insecure and petty and has to complain about everything" and of course the reporter said he did post about it on truth social and called her multiple names. Its the trump way.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Ya I had a Silverado up until 2022 to pull my trailer.
I hated driving it though and hated parking it and hated that it took up so much of my garage to the point that I decided to downsize to a pop up trailer and sell my Silverado. So now I drive a 4runner which I like much much better. I have so much more room in my garage now. Plus I love that I can go on overnight fishing trips and sleep in the 4runner. Just went on one earlier this week (Monday night) and I'm taking the family camping in the popup next week. (I do miss our old trailer though. Don't miss the Silverado at all)

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Nothing beats sleeping in the boat on the river in wilderness though;)
 

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Sardines said:
I can sound super negative about trucks, but I absolutely understand that they are the thing you need to do certain other things. No criticism at all. And I assume some people who need a truck for something then get one and it becomes their everyday car because they spent their car money on that truck. It makes sense. But I will say, consider the guy I mentioned, get a very cheap beater car for A to B and picking up some fast food if the other option is a truck. I get that a lot of people don't want to be seen in a super crappy car. Those aren't people I care about.
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I'm mostly in your camp. There are definitely situations where a truck makes sense. But even then, it almost never makes any sense to use the huge truck to make a run to Walmart or whatever and block parking for other people and generally be a nuisance just to be seen in your huge truck.
 
I have a truck because I like driving trucks. I drove a little economy car for my whole life, but whenever I borrowed a friend's truck for various reasons I always liked the way it felt. I also like having a truck to be able to haul whatever I need or whatever my friends or neighbors need. Some people dislike this aspect of owning a truck, but I like to help people. I compromised on size and fuel economy by getting a small truck (Tacoma). For me it fits my needs and wants perfectly. If there were good options when I bought my truck on an electric/hybrid truck, I would have considered it.

I do like living in a country where people are able to choose whatever vehicle fits them best. I also think we need to do more to reduce carbon emissions. Those two statements are at odds with each other and I don't have a perfect solution, but I do feel like the more we can do to encourage people to choose electric vehicles is the right way to handle the situation. I just got back from China where electric vehicles are much more common because the cost is the same or cheaper than a gas vehicle there.
 
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SoberasHotRod said:
I have a truck because I like driving trucks. I drove a little economy car for my whole life, but whenever I borrowed a friend's truck for various reasons I always liked the way it felt. I also like having a truck to be able to haul whatever I need or whatever my friends or neighbors need. Some people dislike this aspect of owning a truck, but I like to help people. I compromised on size and fuel economy by getting a small truck (Tacoma). For me it fits my needs and wants perfectly. If there were good options when I bought my truck on an electric/hybrid truck, I would have considered it.

I do like living in a country where people are able to choose whatever vehicle fits them best. I also think we need to do more to reduce carbon emissions. Those two statements are at odds with each other and I don't have a perfect solution, but I do feel like the more we can do to encourage people to choose electric vehicles is the right way to handle the situation. I just got back from China where electric vehicles are much more common because the cost is the same or cheaper than a gas vehicle there.
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It’s easy to encourage people to do what we feel is rights, tax them. Sin tax gasoline. Refund it to farmers, truckers, whatever. But if you want to spew unburned carbon in the Honda Civic’s window or roll coal on a cyclist because you hate them and want to impress your **** eating, confederate flag muscle shirt wearing buddies then at minimum you should have to think twice about it next time you pump. Hell, changing my water heaters cost an arm and a leg because of state efficiency requirements. You think student loans are bad? Wait till you have to replace a water heater and ask the bank for a 40 year HELOC cuz you aren’t sure you can make the 30 yr payment work. Can’t afford a casket and grave? Burn them! Ain’t no burning solution for water heaters. Makes no sense we can’t do the same with fuel.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Sin tax gasoline.
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I don't believe in your religion and don't feel the need to appease your gods. Furthermore, I believe there should be a wall between church and state so that you can't enact a state-enforced punishment for acts that are an affront to your worship. IDGAF how true you think your magical sky god is. The faithful of all faiths think that. Keep your taxing of sin out of my government.
 
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