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2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

I don't trade Collin if the offer isn't good. If we did decide to try and be good we could pivot from Key and push more stuff towards Collin. The tank is rolling pretty well. So no need to panic move Collin or Kessler. If someone comes with an offer for Collins you still do it but the contract is of a size that creates challenges for all acquirers.

Its going to take a real offer from NOP or Lakers to get Walker. I think NOP calls it a season (they likely lose the next 5-6) and Lakers go the cheap route going for Williams in Portland or some other duct tape solution.

Trade szn gonna be real boring this year is my prediction.
 
NUMBERICA said:
K, but you have to use 90% of the cap by opening night (to receive LT payouts which is a huge chunk of money) which has largely dried-up opportunities for renting it for future-facing assets. So then they need to spend the money in free agency: who?

We’re at a point where we should have an idea rather than blindly choose a mystery box while still being a team in Utah and still not having enough cap space to make a splash.

I will say if we’re going that route that we gotta get more cap space than what Collins’ absence would bring, so we should be as focused as getting rid of Clarkson or Sexton as well. And you should still have a plan for the space.

Conversely, you could just ride out all three of their deals then glide into ‘27 with cap space THEN, which the Jazz are probably better positioned to pitch for free agents.
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Good points. Ainge seems to love the mystery box though.

I'm assuming we are trying to move Clarkson as well, but I think we are pretty close to max space with our current expiring contracts + Collins + Cap increase. Maybe someone can run those numbers.
 
NUMBERICA said:
K, but you have to use 90% of the cap by opening night (to receive LT payouts which is a huge chunk of money) which has largely dried-up opportunities for renting it for future-facing assets. So then they need to spend the money in free agency: who?

We’re at a point where we should have an idea rather than blindly choose a mystery box while still being a team in Utah and still not having enough cap space to make a splash.

I will say if we’re going that route that we gotta get more cap space than what Collins’ absence would bring, so we should be as focused as getting rid of Clarkson or Sexton as well. And you should still have a plan for the space.

Conversely, you could just ride out all three of their deals then glide into ‘27 with cap space THEN, which the Jazz are probably better positioned to pitch for free agents.
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I think anything we want to do with space we can do in a sign and trade with an expiring Collins, Sexton, JC. If I can get off of either JC contract for an expiring I do it but its not a huge priority. Clarkson I would be more ready to move on from than Collins because of all the guards we have and Collins playing well. Unless the tank is in danger I wouldn't panic sell Sexton.

If Sexton was playing really well I might consider moving off of salary to get some space to use in a re-negotiate type deal for him to make it cap friendly. I just don't really know what the 2-3 year plan is from here... and honestly just don't think Ainge works that way.
 
FWIW, Windy was saying that the Lakers would only move their picks if they start rolling and could potentially be a contender and not to “save” them from play in zone. It’s contrary to what I said before but makes more sense. I don’t think a trade involving their picks is happening, neither does Windy.
 
KqWIN said:
FWIW, Windy was saying that the Lakers would only move their picks if they start rolling and could potentially be a contender and not to “save” them from play in zone. It’s contrary to what I said before but makes more sense. I don’t think a trade involving their picks is happening, neither does Windy.
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I could see them rationalizing one pick for Kessler (or they should) in part because he can benefit the future as well as the current team. They won't go wild though. I think they know the writing is on the wall and any playoff runs that Lebron produces will be a bonus. Kinda running out the clock the best they can not trying to really make a title push.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Good points. Ainge seems to love the mystery box though.

I'm assuming we are trying to move Clarkson as well, but I think we are pretty close to max space with our current expiring contracts + Collins + Cap increase. Maybe someone can run those numbers.
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Maybe jettisoning Collins gets you to the right number you can throw at Brandon Ingram (sub-max, but also being able to say that you paid what you could).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I could see them rationalizing one pick for Kessler (or they should) in part because he can benefit the future as well as the current team. They won't go wild though. I think they know the writing is on the wall and any playoff runs that Lebron produces will be a bonus. Kinda running out the clock the best they can not trying to really make a title push.
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I actually think a trade for Kessler is the least likely kind of trade. Most likely would be finding some kind of change in the couch and getting someone like Val. Next likely would be them doing really well early and then pushing chips into the center of the table for one last title run. Kessler is a half measure that maybe solidifies them in the play in range. I think Windy is right, they aren't going to put picks on the table unless they're really good and those picks take them over the top. It's why nothing has been done up until this point. They haven't been serious about DJ, Grant, ect. Don't think they'd hold the line for so long and then decide Kessler is the one they need.

After more thought, I'm pretty close to just ruling out any Kessler/Lakers trade.
 
Bleacher Report proposed Sexton for Cole Anthony, Tristan De Silva, a 2026 Top 10 Protected Pick, and a 2027 2nd round pick.

I love that trade. Though I'm not really sure where TDS fits in with the Jazz's crowded front-court, but it's great value for Sexton.
 
KqWIN said:
I actually think a trade for Kessler is the least likely kind of trade. Most likely would be finding some kind of change in the couch and getting someone like Val. Next likely would be them doing really well early and then pushing chips into the center of the table for one last title run. Kessler is a half measure that maybe solidifies them in the play in range. I think Windy is right, they aren't going to put picks on the table unless they're really good and those picks take them over the top. It's why nothing has been done up until this point. They haven't been serious about DJ, Grant, ect. Don't think they'd hold the line for so long and then decide Kessler is the one they need.

After more thought, I'm pretty close to just ruling out any Kessler/Lakers trade.
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Yeah its likely the second round trash heap type of deal. I just think if you trade one pick for Kessler you can rationalize it because he is young and you can possible recycle him later if you move into a rebuild or he can be part of the post-Lebron squad. Rob consistently sucks at some of this stuff, but that would be my thought is it threads the needle between burning another pick for a completely win now option and thinking about the future/longevity. its also cheap. Not saying they will but I could see them coming to that conclusion... not even sure if Danny would dance at that price tho. Not sure I'd be all in on that type of thing.

I think both primary Kessler destinations are both closing their doors more than opening right now.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yeah its likely the second round trash heap type of deal. I just think if you trade one pick for Kessler you can rationalize it because he is young and you can possible recycle him later if you move into a rebuild or he can be part of the post-Lebron squad. Rob consistently sucks at some of this stuff, but that would be my thought is it threads the needle between burning another pick for a completely win now option and thinking about the future/longevity. its also cheap. Not saying they will but I could see them coming to that conclusion... not even sure if Danny would dance at that price tho. Not sure I'd be all in on that type of thing.

I think both primary Kessler destinations are both closing their doors more than opening right now.
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I'm assuming NOP is the other one? Yeah that looks closed....I think there is slight potential there in some kind of Ingram deal. Like I'm not sure people think of Kessler as a guy who takes you to the next level, but Ingram? He was at least an all star who would likely be JJ and LeBron approved.

Best destination for Kessler (and a maybe a few of our other players) seems to be CHO if they want to try to make a push for playoffs. I don't think DA will give him up easily though, so it's unlikely we'll see a Kessler trade. Sexton? They've treated him like a ham sandwich so I wouldn't be surprised if they treat him as such in a potential trade.
 
KqWIN said:
I'm assuming NOP is the other one? Yeah that looks closed....I think there is slight potential there in some kind of Ingram deal. Like I'm not sure people think of Kessler as a guy who takes you to the next level, but Ingram? He was at least an all star who would likely be JJ and LeBron approved.

Best destination for Kessler (and a maybe a few of our other players) seems to be CHO if they want to try to make a push for playoffs. I don't think DA will give him up easily though, so it's unlikely we'll see a Kessler trade. Sexton? They've treated him like a ham sandwich so I wouldn't be surprised if they treat him as such in a potential trade.
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With Sexton I think the longer Key struggles the more likely it is they keep Collin. They aren't tied to each other directly but if you are looking at Key and the inefficiency and defensive struggles and his issues as a pg... like don't you look at Collin and say some of the issues are the same except he is mega efficient scorer and maybe we find a big pg (cough Demin cough) that hides him and other similar type players going forward.

Like Hardy may treat him like a ham sandwich but that doesn't mean DA won't consider him to be worth the whole value meal.

Yes NO was the other main suitor. I looked at their schedule and active roster. They will join the tank race shortly. No need to throw good money after bad unless the GM feels like he is on the hot seat. Not sure anyone in NO cares enough that it would cause a hot seat. Its truly sad watching their games and the stands are empty.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
With Sexton I think the longer Key struggles the more likely it is they keep Collin. They aren't tied to each other directly but if you are looking at Key and the inefficiency and defensive struggles and his issues as a pg... like don't you look at Collin and say some of the issues are the same except he is mega efficient scorer and maybe we find a big pg (cough Demin cough) that hides him and other similar type players going forward.

Like Hardy may treat him like a ham sandwich but that doesn't mean DA won't consider him to be worth the whole value meal.

Yes NO was the other main suitor. I looked at their schedule and active roster. They will join the tank race shortly. No need to throw good money after bad unless the GM feels like he is on the hot seat. Not sure anyone in NO cares enough that it would cause a hot seat. Its truly sad watching their games and the stands are empty.
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I don’t think l they see Sexton as an alternative or backup plan for Key. If that were the case, I don’t think they neg him at every chance and bench him for guys like Clarkson and THT before. At this point I think most will have either made up their mind that Sexton is not it or are still open minded that there’s a chance he could establish himself more. Nobody has made up their mind and also believes that Sexton is a future starter. I think the Jazz are clearly in the first group.
 
KqWIN said:
I don’t think l they see Sexton as an alternative or backup plan for Key. If that were the case, I don’t think they neg him at every chance and bench him for guys like Clarkson and THT before. At this point I think most will have either made up their mind that Sexton is not it or are still open minded that there’s a chance he could establish himself more. Nobody has made up their mind and also believes that Sexton is a future starter. I think the Jazz are clearly in the first group.
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Maybe they don't see him as a backup plan but the longer he struggles the more alternative options look better. An option that works in house might have more appeal.

Eh... they quickly moved on from THT. I doubt guys are that rigid and he has started every game except like one this year (which was a weird one). No doubt their opinion differs from those that are the highest on him but if he keeps producing consistently it gets harder to deny. I think it would take the Rozier package to move him or more... and I doubt they do that unless the tank starts to fail. Maybe if he starts to grumble.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Maybe they don't see him as a backup plan but the longer he struggles the more alternative options look better. An option that works in house might have more appeal.

Eh... they quickly moved on from THT. I doubt guys are that rigid and he has started every game except like one this year (which was a weird one). No doubt their opinion differs from those that are the highest on him but if he keeps producing consistently it gets harder to deny. I think it would take the Rozier package to move him or more... and I doubt they do that unless the tank starts to fail. Maybe if he starts to grumble.
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If it were up to me, I’d give Sexton more of a chance. I’m uncertain on him (though become more certain by the day) and am willing to let him cook. It’s better than letting Clarkson cook. But I can’t reasonably expect another team to give much value for him and judging by the way he’s been treated I doubt it would take much for other teams to get him. I think DA would accept a crappy first, but I don’t even think there’s an offer out there for him for that small value.
 
Could the Mavericks want Sexton? He would give them a 3rd scorer/handler, and they have decent trade assets.

Kleber + Powell works money wise, then they would have to add draft capital. I believe they have their 2025 and 2031 first to trade.
 
I could see a Sexton/Keldon swap. I think that may have actually been a legit rumor. Keldon is like the wing, crappy version of Sexton with an additional year left on his deal. I might want John Collins more than Sexton if I was the Spurs though.
 
KqWIN said:
I could see a Sexton/Keldon swap. I think that may have actually been a legit rumor. Keldon is like the wing, crappy version of Sexton with an additional year left on his deal. I might want John Collins more than Sexton if I was the Spurs though.
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Damn. That would be damn near perfect for them IMO. I’ve been thinking a PnR big that brings real rim pressure and a respectable 3-ball is the one archetype of player that will pop most next to Wemby.
 
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