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Clayton or Collier?

Who Will Be Better?

  • Collier

  • Clayton

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NAOS_pt2 said:
The whole world seems to have reached the point where everybody is overrating the importance of length in point-of-attack defense. Sometimes it seems like nothing else matters. It's crazy.

You can do a lot by moving your ****ing body and cutting off driving lanes. Sure, bigger players will get off their shots easier on you than a longer player, but you can do everything else to force them into lower-value shots or into a pass. Clayton is not athletically compromised when it comes to this other stuff. He might even be athletically gifted.

I don't remember where I read this, but there has been some interesting stuff written about how some fast-and-twitchy athletes are just not as good at harnessing their fast-and-twitchiness to their observations of the offensive player they're guarding as other players (even some who are much less fast-and-twitchy). In other words, they can't connect their reading of the offensive movements with a corresponding action.

I think there are some compelling reasons to believe this kind of thing. It's certainly a lot better than what I'm hearing from Internet Bros who talk about "having all teh tools but just not caring".
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I seem to recall a 6'1" Jazz guard who was a 5X all-defensive player. It can be done.
 
I've been a big fan of how Collier has handled himself throughout that year and how he fought for and won the starting job, but unless he massively improves his shooting, I feel like Walt is a much more seamless fit with ... any team really. His on-ball game is already plenty impressive, but what has been really fantastic in the SL so far has been his movement without the ball. I feel like as long as he's not a horrendous defender, he will win the starting job at some point during this coming season.
 
stitches said:
I've been a big fan of how Collier has handled himself throughout that year and how he fought for and won the starting job, but unless he massively improves his shooting, I feel like Walt is a much more seamless fit with ... any team really. His on-ball game is already plenty impressive, but what has been really fantastic in the SL so far has been his movement without the ball. I feel like as long as he's not a horrendous defender, he will win the starting job at some point during this coming season.
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Yeah, and Collier has to become an amazing defender to beat out Clayton, and I'm not seeing that in SL. I dont see much difference between Clayton/Collier on defense. I actually think Clayton has been better.
 
str8line said:
Hopefully good news but anytime a player goes out with a hamstring we hear optimism then BAM! how many hammy's have wrecked Jazz players over the years by coming back too early? Can't remember specifics but it seems like we've been through quite a few.
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any of y'all played an intense sport after a long time off? You always feel it in your hamstrings.

Resting someone for hamstring soreness in summer league is different than in-season. Let's give things some time before we jump to conclusions

- George
 
What do ya'll feel about Keyonte George. Year 3, do you think he will start being more efficient and a better defender or is this just who he is?
 
prodigy said:
What do ya'll feel about Keyonte George. Year 3, do you think he will start being more efficient and a better defender or is this just who he is?
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I expect him to get better, but Im not holding out hope his defense becomes starter quality level.
 
I think Hardy has a great setup to tell these two players that whoever plays the most energetic defense will win more minutes. I think both have different offensive strengths that could make our offense work well….but defensive impact will be the real differentiator.
 
prodigy said:
What do ya'll feel about Keyonte George. Year 3, do you think he will start being more efficient and a better defender or is this just who he is?
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I think he is going to have a break out year.
In fact, hot take incoming, I think he is going to play at a near all star level this season (offensively)

I'm extremely high on year 3 keyonte
 
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