framer
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Does the Mormons recycle?
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Check out the consistency of the toilet paper in the men's room at the chapel, then get back to me.
Does the Mormons recycle?
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“Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife... as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.”
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Latter-day Saint Messenger and Advocate, Nov. 1835
Check out the consistency of the toilet paper in the men's room at the chapel, then get back to me.
Nah, not going to blast you or anything. I think we can respectfully disagree.
The whole concept of sexism, to me, is inferring something about someone's inner characteristics based on their outer characteristics, and I feel the typical Mormon responses to women and the priesthood (and similar topics) are sexist under this definition. For instance, I often hear Mormons spout out ideas such as "men are more visual, women are more emotional" as if having a penis inherently makes me a less emotional/spiritual being. So, when you say that women are above the priesthood, I interpret it in a similar fashion--that, as a male, I'm less in some way? If women are "above it", then that means I'm "below" it? All because my body differs from that of a woman's?
I said I wasn't going to blast you, so I hope it doesn't sound like I am. But when I hear people make comments I view as sexist, I try to at least explain to them why I see it that way in the hope that maybe they'll see the sexism in their statements and change them, or that they'll be able to point out flaws in my own reasoning so I no longer have to feel offended by similar statements I hear in the future.
Some view the priesthood as much more a responsibility than a right or privilege.
I know this is kind of obtuse, but the young men in my ward are responsible for taking the garbage out of the building after meetings every Sunday. The young women, who outnumber the YM about 2 to 1, are never tasked with it. Not because they can't, but because they, as daughters of God, are above it.
Holding the Priesthood is ecclesiastic janitorial work.
I think the Priesthood is largely misunderstood - it's not magic and it's not authority over anyone else. It's simply a responsibility to serve God. It's extra work, and daughters of God are above it. There are no blessings available to Priesthood holders that aren't available to any and every faithful member.
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Come on colton, look at those death rates again and tell me there isn't a serious institutional bias problem with how the numbers are calculated? Do you really think there's not a problem with a system where gains are locked in forever and losses are assumed to absurdly low rates?
My personal belief with the trash is that it is an old traditional view of men and women's roles. The young men take out the trash and set chairs up/take them down while the young women do all of the babysitting at the adult functions. I personally would like to see these basic duties shared between the two groups. The YM need to learn how to take care of children, and it won't hurt the YW to help set up and take the trash out.
Actually the official church direction is that this duty is to be split between the HP and the EQ, except when offered as a service project by the young women or young men (they need service hours for their Faith in God award.)
Gonna have to take your word for it. Sorry Lavar Burton.
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Actually the official church direction is that this duty is to be split between the HP and the EQ, except when offered as a service project by the young women or young men (they need service hours for their Faith in God award.)
Nah, not going to blast you or anything. I think we can respectfully disagree.
The whole concept of sexism, to me, is inferring something about someone's inner characteristics based on their outer characteristics, and I feel the typical Mormon responses to women and the priesthood (and similar topics) are sexist under this definition. For instance, I often hear Mormons spout out ideas such as "men are more visual, women are more emotional" as if having a penis inherently makes me a less emotional/spiritual being. So, when you say that women are above the priesthood, I interpret it in a similar fashion--that, as a male, I'm less in some way? If women are "above it", then that means I'm "below" it? All because my body differs from that of a woman's?
I said I wasn't going to blast you, so I hope it doesn't sound like I am. But when I hear people make comments I view as sexist, I try to at least explain to them why I see it that way in the hope that maybe they'll see the sexism in their statements and change them, or that they'll be able to point out flaws in my own reasoning so I no longer have to feel offended by similar statements I hear in the future.
Not the USED tp. I believe that all paper products in the church use recycled materials. Also Deseret Industries is a pretty darn green concept.
The former is everything I was taught growing up and I'm not even 30 yet. It doesn't really make sense to me that the supposed one true church - that has the ability to commune directly with god - revises it's own beliefs at a frankly staggering rate.
Faith in God is a primary program.
And I don't think I've ever seen the EQ or the HP take this duty on.
My personal belief with the trash is that it is an old traditional view of men and women's roles. The young men take out the trash and set chairs up/take them down while the young women do all of the babysitting at the adult functions. I personally would like to see these basic duties shared between the two groups. The YM need to learn how to take care of children, and it won't hurt the YW to help set up and take the trash out.
I did an example of this arithmetic in my previous post for Brazil whereby the church claims 1,138,740 members in Brazil, but in the 2010 census only 225,695 Brazilians claimed they were LDS. In other words 93% of the supposed church membership in Brazil is missing.
6.12 - WHAT IS YOUR RELIGION OR CULT? Open combo box of religion (entering 4 characteres)
(If you are under 10 years, go to 6.13. Otherwise, skip to 6.14)
Sorry, I must have missed that. I didn't notice anything about death rates. Can you steer me to that again?
What do you think about the #congregations and #stakes point that I made earlier in the thread?
Let's take the numbers reported on April 6, 2013. Official membership was reported up by 341,127 to 14,782,473. The "increase in the children of record" is 122,273 and new converts are 272,330. (Mormon children are typically baptized at age 8, so a new "child of record" is a child of a member or a convert that hasn't been baptized yet.)
So are there any subtractions? The gross increase is 122,273 + 272,330 = 394,603. Difference between net and gross increase is 394,603 - 341,127 = 53,476. Even if we assume the entire subtraction is due to death, the death rate is at MOST 3.7 deaths per 1000. Compare that to the 8.4 and 8.3 deaths per 1000 for the U.S. and World respectively.
https://www.indexmundi.com/united_sta...s_profile.html
This has been going on for decades, and the LDS assumptions about its own death rates lead to a constantly increasing gap between the "real" number and the reported number even if we assumed retention rates were truly close to 100% as the church treats all former members that haven't officially resigned membership as current members.
I had to drag my flock to the church with me so that I could have the service opportunity of watching other peoples kids while the husband was home.
My battle with cynicism continues.