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That all depends on how "healthy" Memo will look/play. If he ends up closer to how he played before the injury, he'll have some positive trade value. If he ends up closer to how he played this past season, he's nowhere near "one of the best 4th bigs on any team in the league", and probably has value only as an expiring contract. If there's anyone out there willing to gamble on Memo for cap relief/pick(s), you take it and run.

Of course Memo's health is the key issue. As a result, nobody is going to offer anything for him prior to seeing him play. If anything, we have to absorb crap just to unload him. But with basically a full season off, I'd say the chances of his recovery are pretty good. He's not going to forget how to shoot.
 
I think one needs to really evaluate some of these euros' toughness and "thug" mentality.

Just look at what Perkins has done to the Thunder.

Just look at how much we're missing toughness at virtually every position. We need some thug on this roster.

Aren't we all tired of the defenseless Jazz? Of people driving the lane like it's a freeway? Without fear of taking a hit? How often have we waltzed into opposing cities to only play lackadaisical and sleep walk through a pounding?

Some of these euros might have nice shooting strokes, but do any of them have mean streaks? How competitive are these guys? How will they react when the chips are down? The NBA is much more of a street fight than a euro 3 point shooting contest.

With the case of the Jazz, I think KOC needs to not only look at upgrading the athleticism and size of this team, but he needs to also rebuild the attitude of this leaderless team. Right now we shouldn't look for complimentary pieces that can rise up to the play of longtime hardasses Karl Malone and John Stockton.

In fact, just the opposite, we need to find some hardasses. Because quite honestly, the soft weak play of Al, Fess, AK, CJ, etc just isn't going to cut it. Raja is tough and mean, but sucks royally. Millsap is tough, but not mean. Favors seems pretty reserved and Hayward still looks like a boy (although the sorta beard is a nice start to becoming a hard a).

Right now, a young Raja Bell, CP3 (dude is carrying the Hornets), Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Kurt Thomas, or Perkins or Rodman would be a lot more valuable to this tissue soft team than a talented scoring softie, like Pau Gasol.

So you are saying we need a physically intimidating presence on this team. In this year's draft there I can't think of very man players like this.

Terrence Jones maybe? Or Kawhi Leonard? Kanter? Biyombo maybe could become that.
 
I have been watching more of Kanter- he really, really reminds me of Al Jefferson/ Boozer. He is a skilled power player without great length.
 
So you are saying we need a physically intimidating presence on this team. In this year's draft there I can't think of very man players like this.

Terrence Jones maybe? Or Kawhi Leonard? Kanter? Biyombo maybe could become that.

Any of those players might be able to do that.

Perhaps not necessarily even a physically intimidating presence since there are so few real "scary" bigs in this draft. Maybe Biyombo or Kanter. I haven't seen much of either of them. Although, I love the descriptions I'm seeing about Biyombo... Ben Wallace, Kendrick Perkins, Serge Ibaka... If he ends up anything like any of those guys then he'll be a fantastic pick.

I'm thinking maybe just competitors. Guys that are weak minded or soft. Which really worries me with all these young unproven euro projects. It worries me even more when I see these euros weigh in at 200 lbs despite being nearly 7 feet tall.

Guys like AK, Fess, and CJ need to be the hell off this team. They can all go play paddy cake and make pillow forts in Russia for all I care.

Get me Leonard any day over those jokes. At least he'll compete and won't back down.
 
Any of those players might be able to do that.

Perhaps not necessarily even a physically intimidating presence since there are so few real "scary" bigs in this draft. Maybe Biyombo or Kanter. I haven't seen much of either of them. Although, I love the descriptions I'm seeing about Biyombo... Ben Wallace, Kendrick Perkins, Serge Ibaka... If he ends up anything like any of those guys then he'll be a fantastic pick.

I'm thinking maybe just competitors. Guys that are weak minded or soft. Which really worries me with all these young unproven euro projects. It worries me even more when I see these euros weigh in at 200 lbs despite being nearly 7 feet tall.

Guys like AK, Fess, and CJ need to be the hell off this team. They can all go play paddy cake and make pillow forts in Russia for all I care.

Get me Leonard any day over those jokes. At least he'll compete and won't back down.

You can call Fes a lot of things but soft is not one them. You did see him floor Kobe on numerous occasions right?
Kanter is 255 Vesely is 240 and Valuciunas is 230 and only 18 years old, buy yeah we should not even consider an intl player.
 
I think one needs to really evaluate some of these euros' toughness and "thug" mentality.

Just look at what Perkins has done to the Thunder.

Just look at how much we're missing toughness at virtually every position. We need some thug on this roster.

Aren't we all tired of the defenseless Jazz? Of people driving the lane like it's a freeway? Without fear of taking a hit? How often have we waltzed into opposing cities to only play lackadaisical and sleep walk through a pounding?

Some of these euros might have nice shooting strokes, but do any of them have mean streaks? How competitive are these guys? How will they react when the chips are down? The NBA is much more of a street fight than a euro 3 point shooting contest.

With the case of the Jazz, I think KOC needs to not only look at upgrading the athleticism and size of this team, but he needs to also rebuild the attitude of this leaderless team. Right now we shouldn't look for complimentary pieces that can rise up to the play of longtime hardasses Karl Malone and John Stockton.

In fact, just the opposite, we need to find some hardasses. Because quite honestly, the soft weak play of Al, Fess, AK, CJ, etc just isn't going to cut it. Raja is tough and mean, but sucks royally. Millsap is tough, but not mean. Favors seems pretty reserved and Hayward still looks like a boy (although the sorta beard is a nice start to becoming a hard a).

Right now, a young Raja Bell, CP3 (dude is carrying the Hornets), Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Kurt Thomas, or Perkins or Rodman would be a lot more valuable to this tissue soft team than a talented scoring softie, like Pau Gasol.

I agree. Hence, my 97 posts regarding acquiring Stephen Jackson before the **** hit the fan this year. Now, I'm not sure there's a point. Kurt Thomas. These types of guys. Who else is there?
 
according to DX both Vesely and Valanciunas are 240.
Vesely is 21 and Valanciunas is 18.

And I agree it would be nice to have a player that plays with effort. This is why many prefer Bismack I think. Dunno if he'll be there. Dunno where the Jazz are picking. But yeah, I think Bismack is at least 3 on my personal board. Maybe number 1. Not very confident in that though. It's either him or Irving. Or maybe Williams or Kanter. I'm pretty flummoxed. That's the draft this year.
 
Which is all that matters (or so you seem to think).

Which was preceded by "I'd say the chances of his recovery are pretty good." Which was further preceded by, "Of course Memo's health is the key issue." But yeah, other than that my whole argument is Memo on crutches would be fine so long as he can hit his 3's.
 
I was just commenting on your affinity for players who don't/can't run the floor and/or have little ability/willingness to play team offense and defense. If a guy can hoist up shots, you seem to be on board with that player getting PT at the expense of actual basketball players.

meh.
 
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