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GVC said:
That was in postup situations only, I think. My above post is for all possessions. Regardless, the two are on completely different levels as players. Pau is head and shoulders above Jefferson as an NBA player. The comparison is stupid.
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It's your own comparison. I'm just serving it back up to you.
 
GVC said:
PER says very little about team and transition play, and thus oversells Jefferson's contributions. Since he's roughly average scoring the basketball, what else does he bring to the table to help his team and teammates win basketball games?
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You're running out of rope. I suggest you bring up the TS% and adj. +/- stats quickly.
 
billyshelby said:
You're running out of rope. I suggest you bring up the TS% and adj. +/- stats quickly.
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uh huh. How many more questions are you going to avoid?

As for what I posted, it's absolutely true. Big Al has not been a winning basketball player throughout his career (and I'm not talking about team success only). He's not good enough to build a good team around, and not versatile enough to be a solid role player. The negatives outweigh the positives, especially considering his salary.
 
Jeffersuck sucks because he's a selfish whore who couldn't even get the Wolves into the playoffs. Look how Pau won all those championships by himself when he was on the Grizzlies.
 
GVC said:
uh huh. How many more questions are you going to avoid?

As for what I posted, it's absolutely true. Big Al has not been a winning basketball player throughout his career (and I'm not talking about team success only). He's not good enough to build a good team around, and not versatile enough to be a solid role player. The negatives outweigh the positives, especially considering his salary.
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You want me to answer a question that can't be answered and I'm ducking it? Al's teams in Minny lost a lot of basketball games. He was the only decent player on their roster for years. How does anybody know how many more games they would have won or lost if he wasn't on it? This is basic cause/correlation fallacy.
 
billyshelby said:
You want me to answer a question that can't be answered and I'm ducking it? Al's teams in Minny lost a lot of basketball games. He was the only decent player on their roster for years. How does anybody know how many more games they would have won or lost if he wasn't on it? This is basic cause/correlation fallacy.
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I want you to explain how, given his middling scoring numbers, he contributes to wins. How he can be part of a championship team when he doesn't seem to be able to fit into a system or figure out team play? I want an explanation, not just baseless assertions.

Do you dismiss entirely that the teams Jefferson has been on have been better with him off the court than on, even when adjusting for teammates and opponents? How is he going to fit next to Favors and Kanter?
 
...and to think when I bumped this thread I thought it would be about SF free agent pickups.
 
GVC said:
I want you to explain how, given his middling scoring numbers, he contributes to wins. How he can be part of a championship team when he doesn't seem to be able to fit into a system or figure out team play? I want an explanation, not just baseless assertions.
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Let me get this straight. You want me to provide explanations for your baseless assertions?
 
billyshelby said:
Let me get this straight. You want me to provide explanations for your baseless assertions?
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So, in your eyes, Big Al is a good team and transition player? He creates better scoring opportunities for his teammates?

And, since you've posted PER, and because I know you hate them so much, here are Jefferson's Adjusted +/- numbers for the last 4 seasons:

10/11: -4.08
09/10: -6.45
08/09: 5.04
07/08: -13.66
 
I want to understand your position better. As far as I can tell, you're stuck on the idea that Big Al is an elite low post scorer and that's it. Is that your whole contention? Is that all that matters? I seek understanding at this point.

I admit- as I have in the past- that I am aggressive because of all the outrageous Millsap hate on this board (dudes suggesting he be traded for Robin Lopez and Mickael Pietrus, etc.). Millsap is the better player IMO, and I'm willing to discuss why. All I get in return is "Big Al is an elite low post scorer" and "Millsap is undersized". These arguments seem to be lacking a whole lot of content to me.
 
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