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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

LoPo said:
Hypothetically, we could trade Favors and Neto and it works financially. I would imagine that we would want to send Favors to a third team since Cleveland really has no use for him. That third team would give the assets to Cleveland.

If Love is healthy, he does help us win more games over Favors. I'm pretty confident in saying that. If you are talking about this year and next, I think Love at $26 on average helps us more than Favors at $17. However, Love's contract from 2020-2023 (3 years averaging around $30) is just brutal.
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They get no assets... none. Love has the worst contract in the nba.

Only way I’d do it is if there was a third team sending some ****** contracts and draft picks... Cleveland can have the ****** (but less ****** than loves) contract and we get the draft assets.

Loves contract was bad before he got hurt... now he sustains a foot injury and when he was playing he was not great. They don’t get a premium when trading that deal... they have to give something to make it happen.

So say Charlotte says give us favs and Cleveland takes biyombo and we get charlottes first round pick. We at least get a lottery scratcher to go with the potential millstone we took.
 
Btw... loves deal is 4/120... after this year. It is baddddddd.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They get no assets... none. Love has the worst contract in the nba.

Only way I’d do it is if there was a third team sending some ****** contracts and draft picks... Cleveland can have the ****** (but less ****** than loves) contract and we get the draft assets.

Loves contract was bad before he got hurt... now he sustains a foot injury and when he was playing he was not great. They don’t get a premium when trading that deal... they have to give something to make it happen.

So say Charlotte says give us favs and Cleveland takes biyombo and we get charlottes first round pick. We at least get a lottery scratcher to go with the potential millstone we took.
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I could possibly get on board with that. So...

Cleveland gets Biyombo, Bradley and Utah's 2019 2nd
Charlotte gets Favors and Neto
Jazz get Love and top 10 protected pick from Charlotte
http://tradenba.com/trades/BJizz2VmV

Seems pretty fair although I hate the contract.

If Love can get to 100%, he would seem to fit us pretty well. I just hate that contract. Shave that last year and we got a deal.
 
Love is exactly what the Jazz need next to Gobert. It's just money. We're paying Ingles somewhere around 15 and he's extremely limited athletically, and is sometimes completely ineffective if the other team knows how to play him but is probably still worth the money because of the system. Love is a rebounding and scoring machine. I even believe he could be taught to play passable defense. Love's creativity on offense has not been on display for a few years because of Lebron, but the man can score and do it in a variety of ways and do it efficiently. Favors is getting paid over 9K a minute, which is absurd. He's a better player than that, but isn't ever going to be a great fit next to Gobert. For our system Love is worth the extra millions over Favors. It really is that simple.
 
I'm on the no bandwagon because of Love's contract. It could sink the franchise and it locks us in as Love being the only option as the third guy with Mitchell and Gobert. There are a lot of things to like from a basketball standpoint immediately, but that contract kills us in a couple years.

However, in the hypothetical that we did move for him, I suppose I'd have to support it because of what it would indicate. DL is the ultimate optimist and has a great deal of patience, whether that's waiting out our roster and guys that are under performing, or thinking there's something better on the horizon (i.e. not moving last year's pick for something good). So if he has reached the point where he's willing to move for Love's contract, I'd have to conclude it's because he does not see the landscape working in our favor for landing someone of that caliber through other means. And if Lindsey is that pessimistic about our odds of finding a third guy in another fashion, then we know the cap hit we take with Love isn't actually preventing something else from being in its place.

And, yes, having Love would make things easier this summer and just allow us to run it back with Ricky both because he already has chemistry with Love and the fact that putting Love in the starting lineup makes Ricky's shooting less of an issue.

And DL likes trading with Cleveland.

So, while I'm out on Love, should a deal happen, I realize it's probably because that's what's best.
 
Let's just breakdown the contracts over the upcoming seasons.

This season - it's not a big deal. We can trade Favors along with one of Thabo, Udoh, Neto/Bradley, Neto/Niang, Bradley/Niang.

Next season, I also don't think it's that big of a deal. Gobert, Mitchell, Korver, Crowder, O'Neale, Grayson, Exum, Ingles, Bradley, Niang are all under contract for next year. If we wanted to keep Rubio, Thabo or Udoh, we could since we have their rights.

2020-21 is when it gets interesting. We would need to re-sign Crowder, Korver and O'Neale (restricted free agent) while also having options for Grayson, Bradley, Niang. We could sign Mitchell to an extension, but I'm pretty sure he would be in his last cheap year.

2021-22 we are needing to re-sign Gobert, Exum and Ingles while Mitchell's first big contract hits the books. This is the first year the contract could really get in the way of keeping everything together.

2022-23 the contract is expiring at this point which maybe means it could be waived and stretched if we desperately had to. Or we can try to trade his large expiring.
 
Here's something I could go for (may need to add some minor pieces of salary but it's pretty close)...

Favors and Bradley to Charlotte.

Biyombo to Cleveland and a first with some protection to us.

Love, cash, and those two second rounders back to us.
 
infection said:
Here's something I could go for (may need to add some minor pieces of salary but it's pretty close)...

Favors and Bradley to Charlotte.

Biyombo to Cleveland and a first with some protection to us.

Love, cash, and those two second rounders back to us.
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I would not send a 1st for Kevin Love. I think Favors, Neto, Bradley and maybe a 2nd is plenty.

Before I do anything, he has to show he is ready to play soon. The medical would be a huge part of the deal.
 
LoPo said:
I would not send a 1st for Kevin Love. I think Favors, Neto, Bradley and maybe a 2nd is plenty.

Before I do anything, he has to show he is ready to play soon. The medical would be a huge part of the deal.
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I'm not talking about sending a first. The deal is basically Favors/Bradley to Charlotte, Biyombo to Cleveland, Love to us, and all draft picks (Charlotte first and those two Cleveland seconds) back to us.
 
In short, if we can't land any free agents this summer or next, then we're kinda screwed unless some kind of internal growth really exploded. So Love ends up being a do-or-die move. Does that give us a strong enough core over the next three years that we can tweak around it with strong role players to contend? If Donovan makes a jump and Rudy maintains, then there's a good argument of yes.
 
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