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but i think we can agree to disagree now. since it's become pretty clear that doesn't matter what niang was in the past, he's on his way to become a legit shooter in this league. if he keep this up, he might just survive and end up sticking around in this league for his shooting alone because he's a solid minus in basically all other areas of his game.
 
jom2003 said:
because he's being set up by his teammates, did you even look at those gifs i posted? defenders barely cared to cover niang when he's about to shoot. houston even left him open all by himself in the corner so they could double team donovan. could you imagine them executing that same play with bojan being in that corner? just by that play alone, what kinda scouting profile do you think houston has on niang?
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Like I said, half those were in transition or off rebounds.

The Houston one they had to rotate to stop the dunk and the recovering defender sells completely out to contest the shot. The other Houston clip was just James Harden being James Harden on defense. They'd do the same thing to Bojan. Maybe they wouldn't hedge on the PNR, but maybe they still would because they don't want Mitchell to turn the corner and are willing to risk it.

Cuz that's what the defenses are doing anytime they make a decision. They are rolling the dice that they dont want the star to get going and are OK with the role player, even if he's a 43% open shooter (probably higher on corners) having an open shot because they know he probably isnt in great rhythm since he only plays 10 mpg and that if he does get hot, he only plays 10 mpg anyway. It's got nothing to do with them not respecting his shot or him not being on the scouting report as a threat.
 
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jom2003 said:
but i think we can agree to disagree now. since it's become pretty clear that doesn't matter what niang was in the past, he's on his way to become a legit shooter in this league. if he keep this up, he might just survive and end up sticking around in this league for his shooting alone because he's a solid minus in basically all other areas of his game.
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Niang was a legit shooter the moment he entered the NBA....
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Like I said, half those were in transition or off rebounds.

The Houston one they had to rotate to stop the dunk and the recovering defender sells completely out to contest the shot. The other Houston clip was just James Harden being James Harden on defense. They'd do the same thing to Bojan. Maybe they wouldn't hedge on the PNR, but maybe they still would because they don't want Mitchell to turn the corner and are willing to risk it.
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my point still stand. when defense has to collapse, defenders were simply more willing to risk leaving niang open than bojan, ingles, or any other proven shooters in the nba. because he hasn't shot enough volume to earn the reputation and respect. he could be a good shooter in reality, but that's just how things go in this league. and houston's strategy worked in the end as niang shot a dismal 30%. they'd do it again if they had to.

niang's been making a name for himself as of late, but bigger challenge is ahead of him because like you said, he's definitely gonna show up on other teams scouting report now as someone they would not want to leave open.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Niang was a legit shooter the moment he entered the NBA....
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that's just nonsense. niang shot 1 for 12 to start his nba career in indiana, and that's against garbage players in garbage time with little defense being played.

and you cut the BS about not enough sample size since your whole point is based on tiny sample sizes.
 
Niang clearly has a knack for shooting the basketball that you can't teach. That's been obvious since Iowa State. They used to call them "pure shooters."

The fact that the organization stuck with him despite some shaky numbers should tell you something.
 
jom2003 said:
my point still stand. when defense has to collapse, defenders were simply more willing to risk leaving niang open than bojan, ingles, or any other proven shooters in the nba. because he hasn't shot enough volume to earn the reputation and respect. he could be a good shooter in reality, but that's just how things go in this league. and houston's strategy worked in the end as niang shot a dismal 30%. they'd do it again if they had to.

niang's been making a name for himself as of late, but bigger challenge is ahead of him because like you said, he's definitely gonna show up on other teams scouting report now as someone they would not want to leave open.
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The defense has to collapse on Gobert re****inggardless. I dont give a **** if that's Korver in the corner. If their D plan is to hard hedge a PNR then the guy from the corner has to help down. I guess they could help off the above the break elbow player, but they probably arent unless the guy in the corner is the elite of the elite. The recovery from helping on the roll to the above the break 3 is too great and is the difference between an open vs contested shot (huge % difference) or an open vs wide open attempt (also a huge percentage difference for most players).

Houston's gameplan was not to leave Niang open, it was to get the ball out of Mitchell's hands and make him see bodies off the picks and stop Gobert from rolling comfortably. It happened, but that was never their desired outcome (if you remember everyone on the team was ice cold, so Houston was emboldened to continue to do it). Niang only played 40 actual minutes of non-garbage time minutes in the Houston series (the last three games) precisely because Snyder wanted more shooting on the court. AND IT WORKED! Niang was an overall +11 in those minutes and the Jazz won a game and came within 3 and 7 in the other two. But congrats you cherry picked two clips, one of Harden being lazy and the other of someone leaving a shooter to stop a dunk (THAT NEVER HAPPENS!).
 
jom2003 said:
that's just nonsense. niang shot 1 for 12 to start his nba career in indiana, and that's against garbage players in garbage time with little defense being played.

and you cut the BS about not enough sample size since your whole point is based on tiny sample sizes.
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How the **** is 4 seasons of college and 50 games in the G-League comparable to twelve ****ing shots where the guy is coming in for sporadic garbage time minutes?
 
I wish dum2003 were a legitimate troll (instead of just a regular dummy), because if so, this would be the best trolljob on Cy in a long time.
 
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