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2020 Presidential election

Younger? New blood? Excitement? Look no further my dude, I have the answer! He's a youthful 77 years young and has business experience!


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The battle of the billionaires. It could get really ugly, then again with Trump that's a guarantee. I don't see Bloomberg getting a big swell of excited support but he might be the guy to get people to finally ditch Trump. He needs to run as a moderate.
 
To characterize the ACA as a slight re-design of a Republican plan is completely disingenuous. Nothing similar to it has ever had anything approaching widespread Republican support.

Back in the early 1990s, individually-mandated health insurance was a Republican alternative to what the Clintons were trying to do.

If a Republican in a blue state once supported it that makes it a Republican plan to you?

If it was endorsed by the Republican Speaker of the House and many of his colleagues, how can it not be a Republican plan?

Obamacare is a major social program which was strongly opposed by nearly every Republican, and not in the least bit centrist. It was unquestionably a liberal program.

So, plans designed to benefit major industries and the wealthy are now liberal plans. That would make tax cuts and defense spending liberal ideas. Welcome to being a liberal.
 
To characterize the ACA as a slight re-design of a Republican plan is completely disingenuous. Nothing similar to it has ever had anything approaching widespread Republican support. If a Republican in a blue state once supported it that makes it a Republican plan to you? Obamacare is a major social program which was strongly opposed by nearly every Republican, and not in the least bit centrist. It was unquestionably a liberal program.

Except... the HEART program had 20 co sponsors? Including Orrin Hatch, Bob Dole, and Chuck Grassley. There were only two democratic sponsors, 18 Republican, yet it's memorialized as "Hillarycare" in many places around the web?

That was ACA-lite. It's comfortably accurate to say it's revisionist history to distance Republicans from what they sponsored.
 
The Democrat field needs new blood. A bunch of 80-year-olds are not going to get anyone excited. Mayor Pete seems like a good dude. He's on his game and I think he'd stand up to Trump well. It would be a mistake to run any of the oldies against Trump. Remember, it boils down to being a popularity contest in the end.
The fact that it's a popularity contest seems to indicate that damn near anyone would beat trump
 
You democrats are so disingenuous. The republicans won 5 out of 6 in Kentucky, and Trump almost brought an unpopular governor back from 15 points down. Virgina has a high percentage of democrats. You democrats are very good at twisting everything...I have to give you credit for that. Tell me Eenie how do you explain Trump drawing over 20,000 at his campaign stops and Biden drawing hundreds?
 
Laughable. Especially seeing how the last 3 Novembers have been yewwwgeee wins for Democrats. Even Kentucky is voting for Democrats in state wide elections.

and you recently posted:



Your last 2 political posts have just been awful. Stick to sports bud

Kentucky is actually interesting. And it's one of the reasons why I say Buttigieg has a chance to beat Trump.

This is an awfully defensive response. And I notice in your comments it's typical if anyone even hints at something that may be bad for democrats. I wonder if you can see the forest through trees here. Seems like you're too invested in one side.
 
Huh, i feel like all of them could. Trump is the worst president we ever had, his approval ratings suck and he almost lost to one of the least liked democratic candidates of all time last election before people got to see how ****** he is as president.


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Trumps approval rating now isn't much different from his approval rating when he was elected. He's not likeable. He says stupid s***. But his lack of likeability doesn't make him a terrible president. Actually as unlikable as he is, his policies have been quite successful. The economy is stronger than it's been in years, unemployment is at lows we haven't seen in a long time. He's made progress with North Korea. He's secured better trade deals for the US with multiple countries. Both democrats and republicans have talked about improving border security for years yet done nothing. Trump came in and secured funding for it quickly. We can debate whether his plan is good or not (I don't think it is) but he at least tried to actually do something.

In previous elections the american people have focused more on results than likeability. Obama wasn't well liked and got re-elected. People had the perception that Bush was a dumb hillbilly but he got re-elected. Reagan had low approval ratings and got re-elected.

Also approval rating doesn't tell us how strong the support base is. Trump supporters are a passionate group. You see it in the size of his rallies. He may only have 41-45% approval but 35% of that could be tbat rabid base. No democrat nominee has that type of support.

Yeah Hillary was unlikable. But this group of democrat nominees is too lol. Biden has been embroiled in multiple scandals and despite being the former vice president he can't seem to pull away in the polls from people like Warren who is right up there with Clinton in terms of unlikability. That Warren is a top candidate is telling of how bad their candidates are. She's lied about several things in her past including her self proclaimed native american heritage. She can't explain any of her policies. Refuses to admit her healthcare plan would definitely cause tax hikes to the middle class. Bernie is likeable to his base. And his base is passionate. But his base is too small. And his campaign doesn't have the same oomph it had 4 years ago. Bloomberg is disliked in his own city.

I really think Buttigieg has a shot if he can gather support. He grew up in the Rust Belt. He's won tough races there. He would do well in key states like Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Kentucky, Pennsylvania. He would appeal to younger voters. He would appeal to independent/undecided voters that are turned off by the far left policies of a Warren or Sanders. He would appeal to the independent/undecided voters who don't want to vote for someone in the old school political establishment (big reason why Trump won in 2016, people are tired of these career politicians and are looking for someone to shake things up).

I can't see Biden, Warren or Sanders having a chance. I don't think any of them having a big enough or passionate enough base.
 
Kentucky is actually interesting. And it's one of the reasons why I say Buttigieg has a chance to beat Trump.

This is an awfully defensive response. And I notice in your comments it's typical if anyone even hints at something that may be bad for democrats. I wonder if you can see the forest through trees here. Seems like you're too invested in one side.

Kentucky isn’t a key state to win for the electoral college. So I’m not sure why it would play a key role in getting Mayor Pete elected. Why do you think it’s important?

In my opinion, If Pete is going to be elected I’d look for indicators in (a) popularity among minorities and (b) popularity in key swing states in the Midwest.
 
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Trumps approval rating now isn't much different from his approval rating when he was elected. He's not likeable. He says stupid s***. But his lack of likeability doesn't make him a terrible president. Actually as unlikable as he is, his policies have been quite successful. The economy is stronger than it's been in years, unemployment is at lows we haven't seen in a long time. He's made progress with North Korea. He's secured better trade deals for the US with multiple countries. Both democrats and republicans have talked about improving border security for years yet done nothing. Trump came in and secured funding for it quickly. We can debate whether his plan is good or not (I don't think it is) but he at least tried to actually do something.

In previous elections the american people have focused more on results than likeability. Obama wasn't well liked and got re-elected. People had the perception that Bush was a dumb hillbilly but he got re-elected. Reagan had low approval ratings and got re-elected.

Also approval rating doesn't tell us how strong the support base is. Trump supporters are a passionate group. You see it in the size of his rallies. He may only have 41-45% approval but 35% of that could be tbat rabid base. No democrat nominee has that type of support.

Yeah Hillary was unlikable. But this group of democrat nominees is too lol. Biden has been embroiled in multiple scandals and despite being the former vice president he can't seem to pull away in the polls from people like Warren who is right up there with Clinton in terms of unlikability. That Warren is a top candidate is telling of how bad their candidates are. She's lied about several things in her past including her self proclaimed native american heritage. She can't explain any of her policies. Refuses to admit her healthcare plan would definitely cause tax hikes to the middle class. Bernie is likeable to his base. And his base is passionate. But his base is too small. And his campaign doesn't have the same oomph it had 4 years ago. Bloomberg is disliked in his own city.

I really think Buttigieg has a shot if he can gather support. He grew up in the Rust Belt. He's won tough races there. He would do well in key states like Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Kentucky, Pennsylvania. He would appeal to younger voters. He would appeal to independent/undecided voters that are turned off by the far left policies of a Warren or Sanders. He would appeal to the independent/undecided voters who don't want to vote for someone in the old school political establishment (big reason why Trump won in 2016, people are tired of these career politicians and are looking for someone to shake things up).

I can't see Biden, Warren or Sanders having a chance. I don't think any of them having a big enough or passionate enough base.
Agree to disagree. I still believe that americans have morals.
 
Trump is the only president in modern history that is willing to try and implement the ideas he campaigned on. Its why he was elected. Everyone grew tired of being lied to on every campaign trail.



Yeah not really.

“One of my first acts as president will be to establish a commission on radical Islam which will include reformist voices in the Muslim community who will hopefully work with us."
 
Trump is the only president in modern history that is willing to try and implement the ideas he campaigned on. Its why he was elected. Everyone grew tired of being lied to on every campaign trail.


Yeah not really

"We will end the sanctuary cities that have resulted in so many needless deaths. Cities that refuse to cooperate with federal authorities will not receive taxpayer dollars, and we will work with Congress to pass legislation to protect those jurisdictions that do assist federal authorities.”
 
Trump is the only president in modern history that is willing to try and implement the ideas he campaigned on. Its why he was elected. Everyone grew tired of being lied to on every campaign trail.

yeah not really

save the coal industry.

lock HRC up

Mexico will pay for wall
 
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