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fishonjazz said:
When was it not valid? If you are referring to kavanaugh then iirc he got the position he wanted. The accusation did nothing to prevent that.

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To repeat Fish, what I am referring to is the double standard and hypocrisy among much of the media, and posters here.

I very much recall quotes such as, "They need to find a new nominee. Anybody who has put themselves in the position to even be accused of this shouldn't be here" OR "It really doesn't matter if he's innocent or guilty (I think he's guilty), this sham needs to be over. Have they no decency? Who would make up a story like this?" And these weren't fringe arguments Fish, they were very popular and common.

But now? Now stories need to be investigated. Now, we can't rush to judgment just quite yet.

The point, Fishie, is not that Kavanaugh still got th appointment (as he should have), the point is that all of a sudden the standards have changed. Even Thriller can't miss that.
 
One Brow said:
A white man had to answer uncomfortable questions. Don't you know what a violation of due process is?[/sarcasm]
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To repeat what I said to Fish, I'll refer the copious times somebody in the media or here said that due process was irrelevant, somebody accused of those crimes shouldn't be a valid nominee. And somehow, that argument is no longer valid. The hypocrisy, my friend, is obvious.
 
RandyForRubio said:
To repeat Fish, what I am referring to is the double standard and hypocrisy among much of the media, and posters here.

I very much recall quotes such as, "They need to find a new nominee. Anybody who has put themselves in the position to even be accused of this shouldn't be here" OR "It really doesn't matter if he's innocent or guilty (I think he's guilty), this sham needs to be over. Have they no decency? Who would make up a story like this?" And these weren't fringe arguments Fish, they were very popular and common.

But now? Now stories need to be investigated. Now, we can't rush to judgment just quite yet.

The point, Fishie, is not that Kavanaugh still got th appointment (as he should have), the point is that all of a sudden the standards have changed. Even Thriller can't miss that.
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Have you met Thriller?
 
RandyForRubio said:
The point, Fishie, is not that Kavanaugh still got th appointment (as he should have), the point is that all of a sudden the standards have changed. Even Thriller can't miss that.
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Serious journalists have seriously investigated both claims.

IMO the best treatment of the Kavanaugh situation is this book: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/44525767-the-education-of-brett-kavanaugh

The best and most thorough investigation of Biden on this issue is this report from PBS, which conducted nearly 100 interviews of staffers - any person who could possibly have any relevant information about the allegations: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...-staffers-think-about-tara-reades-allegations

They come to pretty different conclusions about a number of important issues. Have you read either?

FWIW: I think the Kavanaugh story is as follows. He probably did it, and at minimum he's got some black out drunken episodes he can't account for. It's also almost assuredly true nothing like that has happened in decades and the Brett Kavanaugh of 2019 is a different person than the Brett Kavanaugh of the 1980s. I think he lied about it, but feels justified in lying because it is fundamentally unfair to hold the 2019 version accountable for stuff from three decades ago today. He doesn't want his teenage past to be the thing that defines his whole life.

You know what, I agree with that idea. In general, all the crappy things we did as teenagers probably shouldn't be the definers of the character of our adults lives. I'm for that rule being applied to most criminal convictions from people's 20s to be honest. But Kavanaugh can't say that, as a practical matter. Instead he has to deny the whole thing and pretend like it's obviously unfair and unjust that anyone would question him about it.

There was no real chance this was going to "ruin Kavanaugh's life." The worst case scenario was always that he was going to return to the lifetime appointment at the federal appeals court he enjoyed with a six figure salary and lifetime free baseball tickets and other "definitely not a bribe" perks of being a prominent conservative jurist.

I understand the above doesn't really fit into the "all liberals are evil and dumb" filter of the world, but I think this is as close to reality as we'll ever get barring a deathbed confession from Kavanaugh.
 
My 2 cents

One of Kavanagh’s accusers was credible. Being credible does not mean he did it, but just that there was a plausible story where he might be guilty. All the other accuser’s stories were trash. The press treated him unfairly.

Biden’s accuser was not credible. The press handled this pretty well.

so yes, there was a double standard.
 
RandyForRubio said:
And yet the difference in how Kavanaugh and Biden have been treated by the media couldn't be more stark.
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that’s certainly debatable. Editorial work isn’t just about equal time and equal treatment. It’s about ferreting out the credible from the incredible.

But maybe the problem isn’t just with the media, but also with the importance/influence you’re granting to certain media outlets?

And, dude, the Biden allegations came at a supremely different time. Ya know.
 
RandyForRubio said:
To repeat Fish, what I am referring to is the double standard and hypocrisy among much of the media, and posters here.

I very much recall quotes such as, "They need to find a new nominee. Anybody who has put themselves in the position to even be accused of this shouldn't be here" OR "It really doesn't matter if he's innocent or guilty (I think he's guilty), this sham needs to be over. Have they no decency? Who would make up a story like this?" And these weren't fringe arguments Fish, they were very popular and common.

But now? Now stories need to be investigated. Now, we can't rush to judgment just quite yet.

The point, Fishie, is not that Kavanaugh still got th appointment (as he should have), the point is that all of a sudden the standards have changed. Even Thriller can't miss that.
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Actually I have seen a number of posters on this site that you would consider to be on the left or liberal who said that the allegation against Biden should force the DNC to drop Biden.

Didn't see any posters on the right saying that kavanaugh should no longer be considered for supreme court doe.

I guess you see what you want to see cause even you are bias and partisan.

And for the record I didn't think that kavanaugh should have been disqualified because of some accusations from when he was a dumbass kid. I think people can change as they mature. I did think he seemed to be a bit unhinged throughout the process though and maybe shouldn't be a supreme court judge simply based off his behavior. Gotta force your dudes into positions while you have the power to whether it's the right thing to do or not though.
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fishonjazz said:
Actually I have seen a number of posters on this site that you would consider to be on the left or liberal who said that the allegation against Biden should force the DNC to drop Biden.
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The most aggressive pushers of the Tara Reade story were Bernie Sanders supporters.
 
infection said:
And with the sizable amount of explanation across many issues I’ve made on this forum, this is your assessment of my world view?
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You are totally free to provide your world view.
My view of how you are likely to vote after reading your posts over the years is that you are likely to vote for whoever the Republican dude is.

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