2020 Presidential election

[RandyForRubio]

Ok. So which is more inclusive in my state? Letting me vote or not letting me vote.

It would seem that that in my state of Utah the Democratic party is more inclusive when it comes to voting. Can we agree on that?

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Again, I don't view not letting non party members vote in primaries as being non-inclusive. The last few posts were just educating you on how the current system works.

Being inclusive means that you'll let anybody, no matter their ethnicity, background, wealth, into your group. It does not mean letting people who don't agree with your viewpoints into your group. That's why we have multiple parties.

 

[RandyForRubio]

How do I find out which it was?
What I do know is that I was able to vote for Bernie instead of Biden but I wasn't allowed to vote for Ted Cruz instead of trump. Why is that? Can you answer that specific question?

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How do you find out?!

Well usually people know what they're voting for...

 

[fishonjazz]

Again, I don't view not letting non party members vote in primaries as being non-inclusive. The last few posts were just educating you on how the current system works.

Being inclusive means that you'll let anybody, no matter their ethnicity, background, wealth, into your group. It does not mean letting people who don't agree with your viewpoints into your group. That's why we have multiple parties.

Basically what you just said is: being inclusive means that if you think the same as me then you can be in my group.
We have different definitions of inclusive.

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[fishonjazz]

How do you find out?!

Well usually people know what they're voting for...

Ya I told you I voted for Romney for senator. That's what I voted for. Was it a general or primary. Idk. Does that change my vote somehow? Does it become less relevant? Does it matter?

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[PJF]

Actually pjf is. That's what got this whole thing started.

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You guys are hilarious. Step out of your little bubbles and you'll see that the Republican party is quite inclusive. They believe that each individual has rights and can become whatever they choose to become. It doesn't matter what race, religion, or sexual orientation they are.

That's what inclusion is all about. Not if whiny babies can't cast their vote for Republicans when they're not a Republican.

 

[infection]

Well except pjf. That is why I responded to him. Then others responded to me.
I still haven't got an answer for why the Democrats let me vote for Bernie rather than Biden even though I'm not a Democrat but the Republicans wouldn't let me vote for Cruz rather than trump. Why is that?

You're wanting me to answer that question?

 

[leftyjace]

Ya I told you I voted for Romney for senator. That's what I voted for. Was it a general or primary. Idk. Does that change my vote somehow? Does it become less relevant? Does it matter?

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Do you recall WHEN this vote took place?
Was it in November?
Was it earlier in the year?
That would help pin down what type of election it was.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Ya I told you I voted for Romney for senator. That's what I voted for. Was it a general or primary. Idk. Does that change my vote somehow? Does it become less relevant? Does it matter?

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Have you been following the conversation at all?

General elections are open votes to everybody. Primaries are not. Acting as if you voting for Romney is proof that the primary was an open vote, when you don't know if it was the general or primary is ridiculous.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Basically what you just said is: being inclusive means that if you think the same as me then you can be in my group.
We have different definitions of inclusive.

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Then by that definition, neither party is inclusive.

Thank you, and have a good day.

 

[Deleted member 365]

So explain why the majority of states don't have an open primary for either party?

I think there are a few arguments for restricting voting to party members. The strongest argument is most likely that permitting independents to vote could potentially sabotage the general election by nominating an unelectable candidate in the primary. A valid concern. Looking back at 2016, I might've voted for Trump in the primary hoping to sabotage the GOP for the general. Jeb Bush scared me far more than huckster Trump. However, seeing how polarized the two parties are and how extreme the right has become, I'm open to trying open primaries. I think opening up the primaries could help dilute some of the extremists in parties and help both parties nominate more moderate candidates.

I don't necessarily have a strong opinion on this issue. I'm just saying that I'd be open to opening up primaries to more (moderate) voters instead of die hards. I've been to Utah caucus nights. I've never been so scared for my life. The caucus night when I lived in Orem where incumbent Bob Bennett was ousted and Tim Bridgewater and Mike Lee were nominated was scary as hell. It was like being at a Trump rally before Trump was even a political figure. Lots of angry craziness. So anything to drown out the crazy John Birch Society Eagle Forum nutjobs in the caucuses is a good thing in my book.

 

[fishonjazz]

You're wanting me to answer that question?

Of course. I think it's a good question and you are smart guy that could maybe explain it to me.

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[fishonjazz]

Have you been following the conversation at all?

General elections are open votes to everybody. Primaries are not. Acting as if you voting for Romney is proof that the primary was an open vote, when you don't know if it was the general or primary is ridiculous.

I was very specific in my example of being able to vote for Bernie but not a republican presidential candidate. That's what I don't like and doesn't make sense to me.

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