Agreed. My whole point in this thread is our two parties have led us down a horrible path where those are our only options.
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Agreed. My whole point in this thread is our two parties have led us down a horrible path where those are our only options.
NAOS
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I agree it’s despicable.
Tell me again why I should stick an equal sign between Biden and Kavanaugh.
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Well they are going to be equal. Both accused with a Shakey story. Both will be in office. There ya go.
Red
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Guess I can try one more time....
Fact check: Trump campaign, Pence take Biden's policing comments out of context
In public comments and in advertising, President Donald Trump and his allies have tried to cast Democratic opponent Joe Biden as an anti-police radical.
NAOS
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I see that the gold standard liked this post.
I guess it’s nice to get a better understanding of the nuance of his argument.
muah.
Just to clarify, I tend to believe sexual assault victims accusations as I know the trauma bringing it to light brings. I'm not saying either Kavanaugh or Biden would be convicted of anything in a court of law, but that shouldn't be the standard for the person we elevate to represent us as a country or to shape our laws. The nuance of my argument is this: We can should do better.
NAOS
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Who is arguing with you on that point?
I honestly can’t think of one poster who has been supporting Biden throughout this entire process.
Edit to add: it’s totally cool to use this site as a place to get something off your chest and type for the sake of typing... I do it all the time... But it gets confusing when it sounds like you’re taking someone down who doesn’t exist. That’s all.
I responded early on to the thriller guy who claimed the media treats Trump with kid gloves, and Biden is somehow vilified by the media. He seems to support Biden, and that is who I was initially addressing. Then there were statements that Biden doesn't have anything stick to him. That is what I am responding to. I think the media protects Biden, and the accusations should "stick", but we just accept it, and we accept the candidates that our two parties push forward. So my argument is with pretty much everyone I guess, as we have a system that pushes forward less than ideal leaders, but people won't do anything about it.
I am arguing with your statement that somehow Reade's statements were fishy, yet you imply the accusations against Kavanaugh were not and don't want me to equate them. I'd argue they both had flaws, but neither is unbelievable, and responding to silesian that innocent until proven guilty should not be the standard for those we put in office.
Here I thought this was a thread on the presidential election, where we should be talking about the candidates and their flaws, but thanks for your added/edited condescending statement explaining what I should and shouldn't do on this site. I'm sorry that discussing what I think are key issues are confusing to you.
NAOS
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People aren’t doing anything about it?
Reade’s statements were, in fact, much fishier than Ford’s. And further investigations have added to the fishiness considerably. Does this mean that Biden is guilt-free when it comes to parlaying power into forms of sexual access and expression? Obviously not.
In my opinion, the only people with ‘Biden equals Kavanaugh’ expressions on their tongues are people who are trying to score some kind of partisan political point. And, on the other hand, as I’ve said, I don’t know anybody here (or in my other political discussions) who think that Biden was the best we could do. —I guess this means the last nomination process is just about the same as every other nomination process in my lifetime—despite the many efforts toward change.
It’s not the issues you’re discussing that are confusing, it’s how you’re discussing them that produced some confusion. I think that distinction was pretty clear in what I wrote, so I’ll chalk your final comments down as yet another instance of you digging in for some confrontation that isn’t really happening. Welcome to the board.
NAOS
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The media bias toward Trump has included two classic media-bias ingredients: sensationalism and the foregrounding of conflict. These have been staples ever since 24-hour news networks started gaming for round-the-clock attention. To these staples, the media quickly added exasperation, and then had an incredible list of scandals to justify leaning further into this. The performances of exasperation have re-intensified the sensationalism and conflict.
Any discussion of how the media is handling Biden needs to be placed in this context.
Any discussion of how the media is handling Biden needs to be placed in this context.
1. I didn't say Biden=Kavanaugh. I'm saying they both have despicable accusations, and neither should be in the positions of power that they are. And it shouldn't be about doing the "best we could do". How about getting a candidate without slimy pasts with sexual assault claims? I'm not asking for a high standard here. If anything, Reade's claim may be more viable depending on what the she contemporaneously reported, yet the report won't be released. Strange.
2.I am a left-leaning moderate that hasn't voted for a Republican presidential candidate in my lifetime.
3.My statements were my opinions, and if you take them as confrontational, so be it. I just think the media is doing a disservice, and completely disagree with Thriller that they go after Biden more than Trump. One of the craziest, most flawed statements I have ever read anywhere.