2020 Presidential election

[Zombie]

What is your definition of socialism?

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Socialism is a system where the means of production are socially owned, usually by the state.

It's not simply "things governments do." Of course the word has been used in American politics for the last couple decades at least by the right wing to mean "things the government does that I disagree with" so I understand the confusion.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Exactly

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

What did you think socialism was?

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Lol did 2nd grade government teach you this?

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

He certainly has not advocated for 100% taxes. Most millionaires will still be millionaires. Fewer of their kids will be millionaires, but more of the kids of non-millionaires will become millionaires (going by other countries that have legislation similar to Sanders).

You've cited Denmark and have said things that lead me to believe you are deriving these claims from the World Economic Forum' Global Social Mobility Index. You should know that index specifically does not measure outcomes, but weighs and ranks instead by a group of social policies and programs they believe fosters mobility, actual results be damned. So, your claims that Denmark > USA is not true or false (if my assumption of your source is correct).

People here used to quote the WHO metric as proof that USA's healthcare is utter trash. That metric is similar, not judging on actual outcomes but what a panel believes will lead to better outcomes. I.E. policies the panel prefers.

 

[babe]

classic definitions:

Communist Utopia...… Stateless..... no bureaucrats or even laws. Essentially, the idyllic dream of jellyfish floating happily in a warm sea, with no predators and lots of absorbable stuff to support life. No borders, no cops, no Republicans..... Actually, no sentient humans capable of scheming anything or doing anything that anyone could possibly object to.

Mormon Law of Consecration: A sea of do-gooders solicitously importuning everyone to take their stuff if they need it. All under the all-wise Bishop's counsels of course.

Socialism: State owned stuff, under the all-wise benevolent management of experts and corporate hacks doing revolving door careers between government regulators and corporate honchos. Elections, of course, managed by offshore vote-counting monopolies owned by extra-special honchos.

Capitalism, in the eyes of liberals: Piranha feeding frenzy over every loose ***(et).

Capitalism, in the eyes of megazillionaires: My stuff, my way, or the highway.

Capitalism, in the eyes of ordinary people: Freedom..... the right to take care of one's own damn ***(ets).

At heart, when it comes to one's own money, we are all Capitalists. But when we see an angle to take care of other peoples' money, we are all socialists.

 

[fishonjazz]

I've read scores of political posts from you. Every single one has fallen on the same side of the political spectrum. You are partisan. There's nothing wrong with admitting that. I am partisan too. The only difference is that I'm on the right side of the divide.

I guess it depends on your definition of partisan.
I define it by following the principles, ideals, convictions, and belonging to, a political party.
I'm pro gun, anti immigration, anti abortion and pro choice.

Where do those stances on those issues put me in regards to partisanship?

So you are wrong but I understand why you think that. My hate of trump has biased any post of mine that you see into thinking it's a pro Democrat anti republican post.

One day there will be other republican candidates and presidents and you will start to notice that I'm not against the Republican party or for the Democratic party.

I think the two party system sucks and don't like either party. That's one reason I'm drawn to Bernie. He doesn't like the Democratic party but knows he has to be in it to have a chance at being president.

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[fishonjazz]

Socialism is a system where the means of production are socially owned, usually by the state.

It's not simply "things governments do." Of course the word has been used in American politics for the last couple decades at least by the right wing to mean "things the government does that I disagree with" so I understand the confusion.

Would you say that different countries have different forms of socialism or different degrees of how they use it and phrase it or are they all the exact same?

Is the military owned by the state or is it privately owned?

How about UDOT? public school? Etc etc

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[idestroyedthetoilet]

Nber.org/papers/w19844.pdf

This is quite a refreshing read that shows intergenerational mobility in the United States is virtually unchanged from 1970, and also has some discussion of the increasing income inequality.

 

[Gameface]

I was going to say this before the recent stock market plunge, so we'll see if the economy tanks now or holds on...

Regardless of who the President is in 2021 there is going to be a market downturn during that Presidential term. If a Democrat wins then it will almost guarantee they are a one term President. If that happens and then the recovery happens during the next term with a Republican in the White House that will set the narrative for at least a generation that Democrats are bad for the Economy and Republicans are good.

Now if the recession hits now then game on. But if it holds on until the next term and a Democrat wins, double that if it's a Democratic Socialist, this will look bad for Democrats for a long long time.

I want to be extra clear. The economy is going to dive, not because of coronavirus, even if that jump starts the downturn, but because recessions happen and we're overdue. So even if Trump wins, we're going to have a recession sometime in the next few years.

 

[silesian]

Yeah, you're right. Trump hasn't done a single thing that conservative's are in favor of..

Stop lying about what I said. People can read and check your “facts”.

 

[silesian]

I've read scores of political posts from you. Every single one has fallen on the same side of the political spectrum. You are partisan. There's nothing wrong with admitting that. I am partisan too. The only difference is that I'm on the right side of the divide.

Fish is not clearly not partisan. His views just happen to line up more with Dems

 

[One Brow]

Ok... But why a drug? Why weed?

1) It's a brand new market sector, so the ventures are more likely to be successful.
2) The War on Drugs targeted minorities, so this is a form of economic justice?

From the age of being able to understand basic things I've been taught drugs were bad.

Yet you sell them.

Now is weed the worst drug ever? No, but I see nothing good about peddling marijuana use or alcohol use. It's a terrible think to push on minorities.

It's not being pushed on anyone. People will line up for the opportunities.

 

[One Brow]

You've cited Denmark and have said things that lead me to believe you are deriving these claims from the World Economic Forum' Global Social Mobility Index.

There are also direct measurements of economic mobility.