2020 Presidential election

[fishonjazz]

Then by that definition, neither party is inclusive.

Thank you, and have a good day.

But I can vote for the Democratic presidential candidate. So they aren't the same. At least in my state.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[fishonjazz]

Do you recall WHEN this vote took place?
Was it in November?
Was it earlier in the year?
That would help pin down what type of election it was.

I honestly don't. I wish I did.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[fishonjazz]

I think opening up the primaries could help dilute some of the extremists in parties and help both parties nominate more moderate candidates.

I was just going to post this.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[RandyForRubio]

I think there are a few arguments for restricting voting to party members. The strongest argument is most likely that permitting independents to vote could potentially sabotage the general election by nominating an unelectable candidate in the primary. A valid concern. Looking back at 2016, I might've voted for Trump in the primary hoping to sabotage the GOP for the general. Jeb Bush scared me far more than huckster Trump. However, seeing how polarized the two parties are and how extreme the right has become, I'm open to trying open primaries. I think opening up the primaries could help dilute some of the extremists in parties and help both parties nominate more moderate candidates.

I don't necessarily have a strong opinion on this issue. I'm just saying that I'd be open to opening up primaries to more (moderate) voters instead of die hards. I've been to Utah caucus nights. I've never been so scared for my life. The caucus night when I lived in Orem where incumbent Bob Bennett was ousted and Tim Bridgewater and Mike Lee were nominated was scary as hell. It was like being at a Trump rally before Trump was even a political figure. Lots of angry craziness. So anything to drown out the crazy John Birch Society Eagle Forum nutjobs in the caucuses is a good thing in my book.

I wouldn't have huge issues with opening up the primaries, I'm just saying that I can see a lot of reasons why they wouldn't. It's not a black and white issue.

My only issue here is saying that a party is not inclusive bc of closed primaries is being close minded of all the valid reasons for doing it that way.

 

[One Brow]

GOP is clearly not your party if you're looking for some kind of deference to minority populations.

Funny how trying to give equal treatment becomes "deference" to some people. Using loaded language doesn't help your look much.

 

[One Brow]

That's what inclusion is all about.

At best, that a very weak version of egalitarianism; one designed to promote exclusion by individuals.

 

[Safetydan]

Funny how trying to give equal treatment becomes "deference" to some people. Using loaded language doesn't help your look much.

Agreed. Poor choice of words. I'll adjust it to this: The GOP is not your party if you're looking for a party that will fight for the rights of minorities.

 

[fishonjazz]

Agreed. Poor choice of words. I'll adjust it to this: The GOP is not your party if you're looking for a party that will fight for the rights of minorities.

Or women.
If you are unborn baby they will fight for you though... Right up until you are born. Then you are on your own.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[Deleted member 365]

I wouldn't have huge issues with opening up the primaries, I'm just saying that I can see a lot of reasons why they wouldn't. It's not a black and white issue.

My only issue here is saying that a party is not inclusive bc of closed primaries is being close minded of all the valid reasons for doing it that way.

I agree

 

[RandyForRubio]

I agree

Will wonders never ceases?

 

[JazzGal]

In Utah, if you are registered Republican, you can choose to vote in the Republican or the Democrat primary election. I doubt few Republicans pick the Democrat option because it is rarely close enough to matter.

If you are a registered Democrat, you can only vote in the Democrat primary election.

If you are registered Unaffiliated, you can vote in the Democrat primary election, or if there are nonpartisan options you can choose a ballot with only those options. I vote by mail, and if there are nonpartisan options, I receive a letter telling me that I need to choose by mail or online which ballot I prefer.

All voters can vote in the general election. If you are registered Unaffiliated and voted for Mitt Romney for Senate, that had to be the general election. You wouldn't have had the option otherwise.

I don't like the closed Republican primaries, but I understand their reasoning, although since they have such a lock on the state it wouldn't matter anyway. If I didn't feel so strongly about being independent, I would change to Republican just to vote in the governor's race primary, but I just can't make myself align for even a day with either party.

 

[JazzGal]

No matter who wins the presidential election, lots of stupid things are going to be said in the following four years. Ugh!