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2023 NBA Draft Megathread

Jazz Specific Draft Wishlist:
(Guys I like and don't like, specifically for the Jazz within their expected range)

Please Draft:
- Cason Wallace - The missing piece
- Kobe Bufkin - All around great
- Keyonte George - Especially if he's there at 16 (I've done a full 180 on him)

Please Don't Draft:
- Ausar Thompson - I could be wrong, I don't think anybody really knows
- Anthony Black - I actually like him, just not for the Jazz
- Nick Smith Jr. - We don't need that
 
Decided to see what all the fuss is about. Watching full game of GG Jackson(vs Alabama)...

edit1: Dammit... I see it... I see the appeal...

...at the same time... I see the rawness too...

edit2:Urgh.... I think I'd take him at 16... WIth the absolute acknowledgement that he might be a complete bust and be out of the league by the end of his rookie deal. I just... don't think you get this type of talent that often outside the lottery. You owe it to your coaches to give them that ball of clay and see what they can mold out of it. And I think I will disagree with @KqWIN here - I think you HAVE TO at least try to develop his on-ball game. Yes, it's not efficient and it's all over the place right now. But there is more talent there than pretty much any of the on-ball non-guards in this draft(maybe except for Miller).

edit3: I love his reactions to his teammates scoring. He seems invested in their success too...
 
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stitches said:
Decided to see what all the fuss is about. Watching full game of GG Jackson(vs Alabama)...

Dammit... I see it... I see the appeal...

...at the same time... I see the rawness too...

Urgh.... I think I'd take him at 16... WIth the absolute acknowledgement that he might be a complete bust and be out of the league by the end of his rookie deal. I just... don't think you get this type of talent that often outside the lottery. You owe it to your coaches to give them that ball of clay and see what they can mold out of it. And I think I will disagree with @KqWIN here - I think you HAVE TO at least try to develop his on-ball game. Yes, it's not efficient and it's all over the place right now. But there is more talent there than pretty much any of the on-ball non-guards in this draft(maybe except for Miller).
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Utah can afford a few misses on big swings and the rookie deals being constructed the way they are makes the risk very minimal.
 
TheStormofWar said:
Utah can afford a few misses on big swings and the rookie deals being constructed the way they are makes the risk very minimal.
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Yep... but you need to have a plan for him. You don't draft him just to see what happens. The coaching staff has to have concrete plan about his development, and quite possibly make some sacrifices in order to see it through...
 
seattlejazzfan said:
prosper averaged .1 bpg (blocked 5 shots all season), only 4.7 rebs as a 6'8" elite athlete, and .7 assists as a wing (24 assists all season). negative assist/to ratio. due to his athleticism, he has some potential. but he's a second round prospect, maybe you take a flier on him at 28. but he's a workout warrior with some potential at this point.
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well, I don't agree despite the college stats are average at best for sure. Projections are elite defender with a decent stealth handle though. He showed it a little here and there outside of the testing phase this month, and even was confident enough to shut it down. I think it looks like the ww label you and many others are throwing darts at might mean somebody steals him if he really does fall to the 2.
Did a really nice job outside of the regiments ss had him in of what I saw of the combine. I MIGHT consider taking a gamble on his upside at 16, over a lot of other options that have a better stat line against nobodies.
But ultimately would rather hope he is there at 28 despite the odds of that actually being far less than they were this time 6 months ago.
 
stitches said:
Decided to see what all the fuss is about. Watching full game of GG Jackson(vs Alabama)...

edit1: Dammit... I see it... I see the appeal...

...at the same time... I see the rawness too...

edit2:Urgh.... I think I'd take him at 16... WIth the absolute acknowledgement that he might be a complete bust and be out of the league by the end of his rookie deal. I just... don't think you get this type of talent that often outside the lottery. You owe it to your coaches to give them that ball of clay and see what they can mold out of it. And I think I will disagree with @KqWIN here - I think you HAVE TO at least try to develop his on-ball game. Yes, it's not efficient and it's all over the place right now. But there is more talent there than pretty much any of the on-ball non-guards in this draft(maybe except for Miller).

edit3: I love his reactions to his teammates scoring. He seems invested in their success too...
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I actually just skipped through that Bama game myself. It was a good game for him no doubt, also one of his best games and still a game where you look at the box score and find him not super efficient. But I get it, it’s hard to shake the “look” of these baskets even if we know he’s very bad at making them as a whole.

I understand why people call it “talent”. He does things that others cannot and they are the “hard” things. The reason why I don’t consider him a big talent is that he cannot leverage his ability to get high percentage looks. So while he can do some cool **** that looks great when it goes in (it does not go in often”, he plays a game that is a tough living in the NBA.

My idea of talent is skewed towards what wins games and less about what others can and cannot do. Unique? Yes. Talent? Not for me. I would be more inclined to say someone like Brice Sensabaugh is more “talented” in the scoring realm.

I’m open to the idea I could be wrong about his scoring. Maybe he is good enough to where he can be an initiator type in the NBA….the rest of his game is like an F- for the NBA level. So while I don’t really believe in him as an on ball scorer (because he was very bad at it), I also think the focus of his development should be the other things because he is so far from the baseline ability to get on an NBA court and help a team win.

There are only a handful of guys who play the way he does in the NBA and are good enough to do it….even less if you take the total count of guys who just forgot playing defense and passing. It’s just an infinitely easier path for him to go another route with his development. IMO he needs to be like Jaden and establish a role first before even thinking about him as a high usage bucket getter.
 
GG has talent. To me, he will limit a teams ceiling with his decision making/shot selection. Don’t see the creativity or ball movement with him. Some of that could be his South Carolina roster…..so likely an unfair judgement but look at Steph curry with Davidson. Those players were garbage and he made them all better. I question his effort on both ends. Would take him with our 3rd pick if still there….maybe. Not sure his comparable although im sure people have listed dozens. seems like Marcus Morris like player to me, which I don’t care for his game.
 
KqWIN said:
I actually just skipped through that Bama game myself. It was a good game for him no doubt, also one of his best games and still a game where you look at the box score and find him not super efficient. But I get it, it’s hard to shake the “look” of these baskets even if we know he’s very bad at making them as a whole.

I understand why people call it “talent”. He does things that others cannot and they are the “hard” things. The reason why I don’t consider him a big talent is that he cannot leverage his ability to get high percentage looks. So while he can do some cool **** that looks great when it goes in (it does not go in often”, he plays a game that is a tough living in the NBA.

My idea of talent is skewed towards what wins games and less about what others can and cannot do. Unique? Yes. Talent? Not for me. I would be more inclined to say someone like Brice Sensabaugh is more “talented” in the scoring realm.

I’m open to the idea I could be wrong about his scoring. Maybe he is good enough to where he can be an initiator type in the NBA….the rest of his game is like an F- for the NBA level. So while I don’t really believe in him as an on ball scorer (because he was very bad at it), I also think the focus of his development should be the other things because he is so far from the baseline ability to get on an NBA court and help a team win.

There are only a handful of guys who play the way he does in the NBA and are good enough to do it….even less if you take the total count of guys who just forgot playing defense and passing. It’s just an infinitely easier path for him to go another route with his development. IMO he needs to be like Jaden and establish a role first before even thinking about him as a high usage bucket getter.
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There is talent there even in the way you describe it. But I agree, he's not a winning player right now and he might not be for a while. I agree that easier path for his development is to focus on off-ball things. But I also think this would be such a waste. IMO if you are drafting him to be a big 3 and D project, he should probably not be a 1st round pick. IMO if you draft him 9 or 16 you MUST try to develop his overall game... every aspect of it. And in some areas this would actually mean eliminating some of the shots he takes right now... but in others... I actually WANT to see him develop those aspects of his game. But he won't be helping you win games for a season or two most probably.

That's why I said somewhere above that if you take him you have to be willing to sacrifice... in some cases sacrifice winning in order to give him opportunities to iron out some of his skills. BTW... he actually had some nice passes in that game. He had a great outlet pass in transition, he had a nice assist in the PnR... He had some lazy passes too that got intercepted. In general nothing in his game is consistent, even in this game he had a great first half and very mediocre second half.
 
stitches said:
There is talent there even in the way you describe it. But I agree, he's not a winning player right now and he might not be for a while. I agree that easier path for his development is to focus on off-ball things. But I also think this would be such a waste. IMO if you are drafting him to be a big 3 and D project, he should probably not be a 1st round pick. IMO if you draft him 9 or 16 you MUST try to develop his overall game... every aspect of it. And in some areas this would actually mean eliminating some of the shots he takes right now... but in others... I actually WANT to see him develop those aspects of his game. But he won't be helping you win games for a season or two most probably.

That's why I said somewhere above that if you take him you have to be willing to sacrifice... in some cases sacrifice winning in order to give him opportunities to iron out some of his skills. BTW... he actually had some nice passes in that game. He had a great outlet pass in transition, he had a nice assist in the PnR... He had some lazy passes too that got intercepted. In general nothing in his game is consistent, even in this game he had a great first half and very mediocre second half.
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I'm not worried about the investment into his development in terms of wins and losses. It's more about the sheer amount of development needed as an overall player. The development to go from awful on ball player to passable in the NBA is gigantic, but lets say he can do that. Can he also go from awful to passable as a defender, passer, bbiq? All of this at the same time? Being a go to guy is already the hardest thing to do in the NBA. He's got to scale that back to have a chance IMO. That doesn't mean he's standing in the corner every player, but I think his highest outcomes are more like Tobias Harris where he's good as a secondary player who can mix in some initiator stuff. That's not what others see has his ceiling or a high end outcome for him, but I the amount of development it would take for him to get to that level as an overall player is aa ton.

And I know certain people will scoff at this, but I am not swayed a few nice passes and pullup mid range shots. The numbers do matter, and he is amongst the worst in the entire class at these things. IIRC he has a couple really good mid range shots (a pullup and turnaround fadeway)+ a nice PnR pass all in the first few minutes. It's eyepopping and really intriguing, but when I stack that up against his actual results....yeah I'm not convinced.
 
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