2023 Trade Rumors and Gossip Involving the Jazz

[KqWIN]

I was referring to we don't get DLo without Conley

I mean I said a piece of a first like 12 times... but its a higher quality first than either one of the ones we gave up so add that to the equation. Its equally ridiculous to think the deal doesn't get done without Mike and that he was a negative.

Lol... he made a difference. He helped one of our stars quite a bit... and honestly helped both of them.

The rest of the stuff set us up for failure... Conley absolutely contributed to our success. Of course other things could have been done but the Conley deal didn't prevent many of those options if any.

Do you know who also helped our stars and contributed to the same amount of playoff series wins? Ricky Rubio. If that’s what made the Conley trade worth it we could have kept Rubio who was dying to come back. We didn’t just give up picks but good players as well. I am not a Jae crowder guy but he went to the finals twice after the Jazz as a key contributor and Grayson turned into a rotation player. The cost for Conley was not cheap, and there’s not much to show for the trade.

His regular season performance was mixed as well as his playoff performance. Some good, some bad, and some injuries. He was a good player but stylistically made any issues you have with Mitchell and Gobert worse.

Of course he contributed in some ways, but if you’re making the argument that it was impossible to find the right guy Conley made it more important to find that guy and also more difficult to acquire that guy because of the assets it cost to get him. The Jazz continued to compound this issue with the way they filled out the rest of the roster.

Again, it wasn’t the death nail. This conversation started with me disagreeing with Conley being the main cause for the previous Jazz failure. There were many worse failures and the situation could have been salved. But I still do not think it was a good idea to invest heavily in such a flawed combo. I didn’t love it back then and with the benefit of hindsight I still do not think it was a great move.

 

[jazfan23]

Rudy didn’t make first or second defensive team

Pretty much backs up what I and a few others have been saying , yet get blasted because someone who can’t catch a ball is your hero

 

[NUMBERICA]

Do you know who also helped our stars and contributed to the same amount of playoff series wins? Ricky Rubio..

lol k dude

 

[kcgar]

Rudy didn’t make first or second defensive team

Pretty much backs up what I and a few others have been saying , yet get blasted because someone who can’t catch a ball is your hero

You sound smart

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Do you know who also helped our stars and contributed to the same amount of playoff series wins? Ricky Rubio. If that’s what made the Conley trade worth it we could have kept Rubio who was dying to come back. We didn’t just give up picks but good players as well. I am not a Jae crowder guy but he went to the finals twice after the Jazz as a key contributor and Grayson turned into a rotation player. The cost for Conley was not cheap, and there’s not much to show for the trade.

Mike was fine in the Denver series and helped us win a playoff series by helping us get the #1 seed. He broke down in the playoffs due to injury... so did Ricky in the Houston series. Ricky also not an iron man. Grayson lol... he was traded for a second round pick after he had a good year in Memphis.

His regular season performance was mixed as well as his playoff performance. Some good, some bad, and some injuries. He was a good player but stylistically made any issues you have with Mitchell and Gobert worse.

Of course he contributed in some ways, but if you’re making the argument that it was impossible to find the right guy Conley made it more important to find that guy and also more difficult to acquire that guy because of the assets it cost to get him. The Jazz continued to compound this issue with the way they filled out the rest of the roster.

They don't have the best offense in the league without Mike... he helped a lot on offense for both Don and Rudy.

Again, it wasn’t the death nail.

Its death knell.

This conversation started with me disagreeing with Conley being the main cause for the previous Jazz failure. There were many worse failures and the situation could have been salved. But I still do not think it was a good idea to invest heavily in such a flawed combo. I didn’t love it back then and with the benefit of hindsight I still do not think it was a great move.

The primary issue viewing the Conley trade as bad. I really don't think it was considering the cost, his production, and the fact we got something on the backend. So very few deals become homeruns and the cost that we ate was fine. Its like 7th or 8th on things I might change about the Don/Rudy era.

 

[416Klawzz]

Rudy didn’t make first or second defensive team

Pretty much backs up what I and a few others have been saying , yet get blasted because someone who can’t catch a ball is your hero

Amen brother. Don't know why everyone on this board blows their load for an offensively challenged stiff. Ainge did the right thing and traded his scrub ***

What could the Timberwolves get if they traded Rudy Gobert? Probably less than you think

Minnesota traded a historic haul of players and picks for Gobert last summer

www.cbssports.com

 

[jazfan23]

Amen brother. Don't know why everyone on this board blows their load for an offensively challenged stiff. Ainge did the right thing and traded his scrub ***

What could the Timberwolves get if they traded Rudy Gobert? Probably less than you think

Minnesota traded a historic haul of players and picks for Gobert last summer

www.cbssports.com

Wow that article shows just how bad Rudy has been , I didn’t realise he has a 25/26 player option , good luck in trading him for anything other than a team absorbing his contract .

 

[416Klawzz]

Wow that article shows just how bad Rudy has been , I didn’t realise he has a 25/26 player option , good luck in trading him for anything other than a team absorbing his contract .

He will be out of the league very soon. He will then try his hand in boxing and get knocked the f out by D Will.

 

[KqWIN]

Mike was fine in the Denver series and helped us win a playoff series by helping us get the #1 seed. He broke down in the playoffs due to injury... so did Ricky in the Houston series. Ricky also not an iron man. Grayson lol... he was traded for a second round pick after he had a good year in Memphis.

They don't have the best offense in the league without Mike... he helped a lot on offense for both Don and Rudy.

Its death knell.

The primary issue viewing the Conley trade as bad. I really don't think it was considering the cost, his production, and the fact we got something on the backend. So very few deals become homeruns and the cost that we ate was fine. Its like 7th or 8th on things I might change about the Don/Rudy era.

We could have retained Rubio without losing any assets. For all the assets we gave up for Conley, there is not much more team success to show for it. Like Rubio, he obvious flaws that did not mesh with the star players as well as some things that helped a ton. We did not get eviscerated year after year on defense in the playoffs with Rubio. It was the right decision to move on from Rubio, it was the wrong decision to bet on a player that also does not fit next to your best players. To be a successful trade, you don't have to meet the standard that Rubio set you have to go far beyond it because we gave up a lot for him and was also paid a much higher salary. If you think it was worth it to improve our regular season play, to each their own. But the playoff success wasn't there. While Conley had some good games and helped us he also went down to injury (which was a risk you had to factor in at time of trade) and had a horrific two-way series against DAL.

When you make a move like that I think it ought to be with playoff success in mind and the Conley/Mitchell was inevitably going to get destroyed on defense, and that's what happened. The Conley trade was bad because it makes it very difficult to build around. I do not believe in commtting lots of assets to create a roster that does not fit. This is no different than surrounding Gobert with non-shooters, it's just not a good idea. The fact that it is hard to find two way wings is not justification for the trade it is the reason why you don't spend a bunch of assets to create a tiny, defensively deficient backcourt. I would not justify getting a non shooting big to pair with Gobert because it's too hard to get a wing.

I never said it was the biggest mistake, but I would not do it again given the choice. Yeah we made more critical mistakes, but if we could start over I would not think about pairing Donovan with a small PG who also can't defend in the playoffs...especially given that we had the ideal backcourt partner already on the team. This doesn't mean Mike was a net negative player or didn't provide any value at all, but not worth the price and not the best use of assets given the fit issues with Mitchell.

 

[416Klawzz]

Rubio just couldn't shoot the 3 man, we gave up all of our future for Crapoley. Mike and Rudy Gobert were why we couldn't advance. And Doka what a dumbass DL was. Excited to see him fail in Dallas what an idiot

 

[fishonjazz]

I could see it go either way, but Wemby is supposed to be a generational talent a la Dr. J and he will cost $6 - $10 million for 4 years and not $40 - $50 million.

You can build a contender around Laur, Kessler, Wemby, and 2 all stars that you use assets to collect.

Not sure about a contender with Lauri, Luka, assrts, and no cap space.

He will also probably have some painful developing during those 4 cheap years.

 

[fishonjazz]

There is no way I give this much for Luka, no way. I don't care if Wemby is a star or not. I don't care about Luka at all. Why would I give them Walker and all those picks [and I think it would take 1-2 more players from Dallas' perspective] for a player while very good, is a killer for team dynamics. He is not a team player. He is a black hole that isn't worth getting and mortgaging the future for. I am not and will never be a Luka fan, nor do I ever want to see him in a Jazz uni. Just suicide if you go after him. He's never accomplished anything, but scoring. He doesn't get in shape. He has toxic relationships with his team mates. I'm sorry, you will never convince me that he is the answer.

He actually averages hella assists.