2023 Trade Rumors and Gossip Involving the Jazz

[fishonjazz]

I remember when the Jazz traded all their roll players and their future picks for the player that would put the Gobert/Mitchel Jazz over the top. Conolly was a really good player, but that deal sunk any chance for the Jazz to improve for years .

Ya conley had never been an all star. Luka is a guaranteed all star every year and a possible mvp candidate. Apples to oranges.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don’t understand how Conley was viewed as a negative when the deal doesn’t happen without him and the Lakers best returning asset was from the team that took Conley in the deal.

The deal doesn't happen without westbrick so westbricks contract was also awesome.

 

[fishonjazz]

Negative contracts are involved in trades all the time where the deal could not happen without them. The Timberwolves received incentive to trade Russell for Conley. It was not a 1 for 1 swap for Russell/Conley.

This. Westbricks contract was trash for his production for the lakers. They LOVED getting rid of him. The deal couldn't have happened without westbrick so now that means his contract was a postive? Ya, no. Just because a player with a crap contract is traded doesn't make that contract not crap.

 

[fishonjazz]

So who was extremely valuable then, Vando or Beasley?

Well no one was extremely valuable. If anyone was valuable in the trade then there wouldn't have been 4 players, two picks, and taking on a bad contract all neccessary to get 1 protected pick lol.

 

[fishonjazz]

Russell was the main attraction for the Lakers in that deal. We don't get Russell without Mike. Beasley and Vando and Mike all had second round pick value by themselves... not sure how you can pinpoint Beasley and Vando as more valuable than Mike... Vando maybe but Mike was the best NBA player in the deal... we supposedly had at least one offer from NO for him.

So mike had 2nd round pick value. Nuff said. (2nds aren't very valuable in case anyone was wondering)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So mike had 2nd round pick value. Nuff said. (2nds aren't very valuable in case anyone was wondering)

I would say Mike/Vando/Malik were all worth multiple second round picks because we got a really good first in the deal. The firsts that we gave were in the 20s (one we knew was in the 20s and the other had protections) I’m just saying the net cost really wasn’t “bad” for what we got. Did we want it to be better? Fo sho. Whatever value you want to assign on the backend is fine but we got value there. So if that’s equivalent to expiring salary and 2-3 seconds… that’s definitely something.

We did fine in the Conley deal and a lot of the deals we could have done would have turned out worse or roughly the same value. Having watched how Dons career is working out… I’m not sure what we could have put next to him that was possible and would build a title contender.

 

[fishonjazz]

I would say Mike/Vando/Malik were all worth multiple second round picks because we got a really good first in the deal. The firsts that we gave were in the 20s (one we knew was in the 20s and the other had protections) I’m just saying the net cost really wasn’t “bad” for what we got. Did we want it to be better? Fo sho. Whatever value you want to assign on the backend is fine but we got value there. So if that’s equivalent to expiring salary and 2-3 seconds… that’s definitely something.

We did fine in the Conley deal and a lot of the deals we could have done would have turned out worse or roughly the same value. Having watched how Dons career is working out… I’m not sure what we could have put next to him that was possible and would build a title contender.

Ya I was commenting on whether conleys contract was negative or positive. To me it was clearly negative if an all star player is only worth a second round pick. Usually all stars are worth more than a 2nd round pick imo.
Also in that trade we took westbrick off the lakers hands so when you add that into the equation then it makes all the players, conley included, appear even less valuable. I remember when everyone was certain we could get an unprotected first (or 2) for simply taking westbrook. Not even giving any good players. So we take westbrook, get 1 protected pick, and give up 4 players and 2 picks. Ya, that tells me that conleys contract was no bueno.

Conley is making 24 and a half million next year. No way is he worth that. Part of the reason the jazz made the trade is because they didn't want to pay him that contract next season imo. I think conley was in the trade just as much because the jazz wanted to get rid of him as much as because minny wanted him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ya I was commenting on whether conleys contract was negative or positive. To me it was clearly negative if an all star player is only worth a second round pick. Usually all stars are worth more than a 2nd round pick imo.
Also in that trade we took westbrick off the lakers hands so when you add that into the equation then it makes all the players, conley included, appear even less valuable. I remember when everyone was certain we could get an unprotected first (or 2) for simply taking westbrook. Not even giving any good players. So we take westbrook, get 1 protected pick, and give up 4 players and 2 picks. Ya, that tells me that conleys contract was no bueno.

Conley is making 24 and a half million next year. No way is he worth that. Part of the reason the jazz made the trade is because they didn't want to pay him that contract next season imo. I think conley was in the trade just as much because the jazz wanted to get rid of him as much as because minny wanted him.

It’s not negative though… it may not be super positive but not negative.

 

[Elizah Huge]

The deal doesn't happen without westbrick so westbricks contract was also awesome.

Wow, that makes total sense. You are right. The Lakers definitely didn’t have to attach the best asset in the deal to get off of his contract.

We also didn’t trade the first or second best asset in the deal and ended up with the best asset coming back. Not sure how that happened when all we traded was a negative contract in Conley plus Beasley/Vando and throw-ins.

 

[fishonjazz]

Wow, that makes total sense. You are right. The Lakers definitely didn’t have to attach the best asset in the deal to get off of his contract.

We also didn’t trade the first or second best asset in the deal and ended up with the best asset coming back. Not sure how that happened when all we traded was a negative contract in Conley plus Beasley/Vando and throw-ins.

That isn't all we traded though. we also took westbrooks contract off their hands. That is something the jazz did for the lakers along with improving their team. You say "all we traded" as if we didn't trade much. We traded 4 players and 2 picks and took on a horrible contract for 1 protected pick. That is 7 assets for 1 protected pick. None of those assets from us could be good assets or it wouldn't have took so much to aquire a protected pick. I remember when we could get an unprotected pick for taking westbrook without giving up anything else. The fact that we had to use 7 parts to get 1 protected pick shows how conley was viewed. If conley was a positive then we should have been able to get that protected pick for less than 6 MORE assets on top of conley. We had to add 6 more pieces to get 1 protected pick. +

How often does a good player on a positive contract need 6 more pieces to get 1 protected pick? Never?

 

[Elizah Huge]

That isn't all we traded though. we also took westbrooks contract off their hands. That is something the jazz did for the lakers along with improving their team. You say "all we traded" as if we didn't trade much. We traded 4 players and 2 picks and took on a horrible contract for 1 protected pick. That is 7 assets for 1 unprotected pick. None of those assets from us could be good assets or it wouldn't have took so much to aquire a protected pick. I remember when we could get an unprotected pick for taking westbrook without giving up anything else. The fact that we had to use 7 parts to get 1 protected pick shows how conley was viewed. If conley was a positive then we should have been able to get that protected pick for less than 6 MORE assets on top of conley. We had to add 6 more pieces to get 1 protected pick. +

How often does a good player on a positive contract need 6 more pieces to get 1 protected pick? Never?

Westbrook was an expiring contract. That is not bad at all. We saved a **** ton of cap space by trading for him.

 

[gomretat]

Ya conley had never been an all star. Luka is a guaranteed all star every year and a possible mvp candidate. Apples to oranges.

I would go further. That is comparing airplanes to bumblebees because they both have wings. Luka is a top 5 player and should be for a number of years to come if he can avoid injury and decide to stay in shape.