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2023 Trade Rumors and Gossip Involving the Jazz

Handlogten's Heros said:
I didn't quite understand it... but basically once they do get control of a first round pick in 8 years... it will be the last pick of the draft... and then if they continue to roll forward each year over the tax they add another year to the tab. The second apron was essentially supposed to be so punitive that it is a hard cap... Suns said YOLO and are going to end up eating dirt for a decade... banners fly forever so if they win one its worth it... but they maxed out the CC, refinanced the house, put a loc out on several internal organs, pawned their wedding rings.... etc.
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Holy ****.

Any word on if there are any implications for other teams' picks they might own (which they will surely go hunting for in 2-3 years)?
 
NUMBERICA said:
Holy ****.

Any word on if there are any implications for other teams' picks they might own (which they will surely go hunting for in 2-3 years)?
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Because those picks are frozen and there is a lag the picks can’t be traded without knowing beforehand that they will be an end of the draft pick.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Did you just say the Suns can't receive future 1sts in a trade?
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No they can... but once you go over the second apron you can't trade a pick 5 years out... second year over the apron and your "frozen" pick will move to end of the first round.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
No they can... but once you go over the second apron you can't trade a pick 5 years out... second year over the apron and your "frozen" pick will move to end of the first round.
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Okay, what I'm asking is if, say, the Suns trade Devin Booker in a couple of years for some unprotected picks. Are those picks encumbered in any way if they've continued above the 2nd apron?
 
NUMBERICA said:
Okay, what I'm asking is if, say, the Suns trade Devin Booker in a couple of years for some unprotected picks. Are those picks encumbered in any way if they've continued above the 2nd apron?
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No... only their own picks.
 
Franchises will tank for years to have a chance at having players like Durant, Booker, and Beal. I don’t think it will work out for them, but I don’t understand how people can be so in favor of tanking and so against going all in. It doesn’t matter if the bad years come before or after a title chase, chances are it will be both anyways.

Even when the Lakers did win a championship people started to question if it was worth it because they gave up so many assets. That stuff is crazy to me.
 
Shad said:
The Jazz do not want to be bad this coming season. We have no point in trying to tank with 0 picks. We're going to be very active this offseason
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We have our own pick if we tank. It just gets pushed to the following year.

It feels like people are making the forgone conclusion that we WILL under all circumstances lose that pick this next season. Not true. It's top 10 protected. If we ended with a bottom 5 pick, then neat! Perhaps the following year we make the playoffs and don't care about losing the 22nd pick.
 
KqWIN said:
Franchises will tank for years to have a chance at having players like Durant, Booker, and Beal. I don’t think it will work out for them, but I don’t understand how people can be so in favor of tanking and so against going all in. It doesn’t matter if the bad years come before or after a title chase, chances are it will be both anyways.

Even when the Lakers did win a championship people started to question if it was worth it because they gave up so many assets. That stuff is crazy to me.
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Banners fly forever... its why I said they better win it over the next couple years. The issue is even the most aggressive franchises are spooked by the new cba... and a new owner just did double birds and screamed yolo in its face. If it works great... but he isn't getting prime KD... we've already seen him struggle to stay on the court. Beal in a vacuum is a fine deal... actually kinda killed it... but Book and KD had almost no chemistry last year... not sure Beal will build on that... he's had his own struggles.

I have no issue with going for it... but this kind of bet is like betting the next 10-15 years of your franchise on a short window. And owners tend to be real aggressive to start on this stuff... then the money starts flowing and they start to clam up a bit... lets see how firm they are in the commitment.

If it was just the draft picks they owe they are giving up that's okay... This route will end up with their 2030 and 2031 picks being frozen. So you are looking at a 2-3 year window and receiving zero benefit for your picks for 10 years. They may have to go 8 years in teh Brooklyn Nets no man land before starting the rebuild.

Again... win a title and it was all worth it. One Booker or KD knee injury and they are hosed.
 
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