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2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

KqWIN said:
The good news is that we have been able to tank just fine….but what was the point of Lauri being here exactly? We wasted a prime year of his career which sucks for him and we also slashed his trade value. The tank situation is good but it’s certainly come at a cost.

I think the FO had higher hopes for the young guys. If Key developed, Hendricks never got hurt, Cody was as good as they expect etc…..you might be one good draft pick away. So I guess the point of having Lauri here is just in case major internal development occurred and suddenly we’re kinda close. But that definitely hasn’t happened.

Tank has gone well, but certainly it’s come at the cost of other things going poorly. I think it’s very risky to keep Lauri in another tanking situation because if he has a repeat of this season he will be seen as a majorly negative contract. Might become the new Lavine.
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This is how I see it too and why I am watching this deadline like a hawk. Sexton/Collins/Kessler trade value will not go any higher on their current deals. Do they still believe in the optionality of shortcutting the process a bit. I think it also explains the actions this summer of trying to add Bridges/George. Maybe if they win the lotto they still think they can do the quick bounce back and it still works... but if you stripped off part of the other infrastructure what now?

I think there is still plenty of time to move Lauri and part of the issue with LaVine was he'd had multiple knee surgeries. When he was healthy he had more value but yeah... the stink of losing starts to stain the guys you are selling as win-now solutions.

Interesting 6 months ahead potentially.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
This is how I see it too and why I am watching this deadline like a hawk. Sexton/Collins/Kessler trade value will not go any higher on their current deals. Do they still believe in the optionality of shortcutting the process a bit. I think it also explains the actions this summer of trying to add Bridges/George. Maybe if they win the lotto they still think they can do the quick bounce back and it still works... but if you stripped off part of the other infrastructure what now?

I think there is still plenty of time to move Lauri and part of the issue with LaVine was he'd had multiple knee surgeries. When he was healthy he had more value but yeah... the stink of losing starts to stain the guys you are selling as win-now solutions.

Interesting 6 months ahead potentially.
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I think a lot of people forget that the "big game hunting" line was basically a misquote from the media. DA said he didn't go big game hunting and did the half tank initially because he had "almost guy" and things would have fallen into place had "almost guy" happened. If you believe infrastructure needs to be in place before you make big moves to try to win, it stands to reason that when you tear down the infrastructure you are going the opposite direction.

If Collins and Sexton are traded, it makes it more clear that we're in for another tank and the quick turnaround idea is dead. I'm OK with that at this point even though it means we have to cut our losses with a Lauri trade. The way I see it, there's an 86%+ chance I don't like keeping Lauri, and in the other 14% of scenarios I'm 60/40 for trading Lauri anyways.

Building around Lauri just isn't impossible, just gets more unrealistic by the day. I'm hoping we go into next year with a full youth squad and the draft picks from a franchise with players facing father time. It's funny, you mentioned trading Kessler for those Laker picks instead of Lauri.....I think the gap on those two trade value has closed significantly. Walker has 1.5 more years of tiny salary + long term team control + is playing better than Lauri this season. Lauri needs to play better at some point or that value will drop even further, we don't get the luxury of having him play poorly enough so we can tank and have his trade value remain premium. The cap rises rapidly so we might be safe, but I think we can kiss those 1.5x-2x godfather packages away.

If Sexton/Collins are gone and we don't have Flagg, the Jazz won't be in a situation where we can puff out our chest and say "we don't have to trade Lauri, he's not for sale". It will be painfully obvious that the reaction would be "you really should trade him".
 
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KqWIN said:
I think a lot of people forget that the "big game hunting" line was basically a misquote from the FO. DA said he didn't go big game hunting and did the half tank initially because he had "almost guy" and things would have fallen into place had "almost guy" happened. If you believe infrastructure needs to be in place before you make big moves to try to win, it stands to reason that when you tear down the infrastructure you are going the opposite direction.

If Collins and Sexton are traded, it makes it more clear that we're in for another tank and the quick turnaround idea is dead. I'm OK with that at this point even though it means we have to cut our losses with a Lauri trade. The way I see it, there's an 86%+ chance I don't like keeping Lauri, and in the other 14% of scenarios I'm 60/40 for trading Lauri anyways.

Building around Lauri just isn't impossible, just gets more unrealistic by the day. I'm hoping we go into next year with a full youth squad and the draft picks from a franchise with players facing father time. It's funny, you mentioned trading Kessler for those Laker picks instead of Lauri.....I think the gap on those two trade value has closed significantly. Walker has 1.5 more years of tiny salary + long term team control + is playing better than Lauri this season. Lauri needs to play better at some point or that value will drop even further, we don't get the luxury of having him play poorly enough so we can tank and have his trade value remain premium. The cap rises rapidly so we might be safe, but I think we can kiss those 1.5x-2x godfather packages away.

If Sexton/Collins are gone and we don't have Flagg, the Jazz won't be in a situation where we can puff out our chest and say "we don't have to trade Lauri, he's not for sale". It will be painfully obvious that the reaction would be "you really should trade him".
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Agree. I'm not overly worried about what we do or don't get for Lauri at this point. I am not sure exactly what was on the table as it seems things actually broke off with GS pretty early in the process. The low salary made it easier but I think some would have rather had him locked in. If we lost 25% of what we really would have gotten (not what I or other fans wanted) and didn't harm the tank... it was fine to take a look. He seems pretty reasonable and if we didn't send him to some terrible franchise after assessing where we were... I think he'd get it (not that he has to but I don't want to completely disregard his level of buy in here).

I think this is showcase week for those we send out. Collins has the trade flu so if something is close he will sit. Clarkson may play to show his foot still works.
 
One thing I think seems clear is I think Milwaukee thinks Middleton is washed. Not sure Collins/Middleton and their lone first would make sense but would push them lower on the salary scale and get them close to where they could aggregate salaries. Would we want a superswap with our pick and the Phoenix pick?

I think they have their eyes on something bigger but the noise around their willingness to deal Khris leads me to believe they think he won't be getting back to where they need him too. We'd just let him rehab this year and use him as an expiring next year and maybe showcase him to start the season.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Agree. I'm not overly worried about what we do or don't get for Lauri at this point. I am not sure exactly what was on the table as it seems things actually broke off with GS pretty early in the process. The low salary made it easier but I think some would have rather had him locked in. If we lost 25% of what we really would have gotten (not what I or other fans wanted) and didn't harm the tank... it was fine to take a look. He seems pretty reasonable and if we didn't send him to some terrible franchise after assessing where we were... I think he'd get it (not that he has to but I don't want to completely disregard his level of buy in here).

I think this is showcase week for those we send out. Collins has the trade flu so if something is close he will sit. Clarkson may play to show his foot still works.
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It is impossible to know what exactly was on the table, but Shams had it as Kuminga+all the picks. If that's still on the table, I definitely say take it. Maybe we can sign Kuminga to something like a two year max with a team option for third year. That makes the salary match easier. I'm also would not be too picky about what we get, but getting premium future picks from a franchise with a retiring player would be my priority. I'd keep an eye on Philly as well.
 
KqWIN said:
It is impossible to know what exactly was on the table, but Shams had it as Kuminga+all the picks. If that's still on the table, I definitely say take it. Maybe we can sign Kuminga to something like a two year max with a team option for third year. That makes the salary match easier. I'm also would not be too picky about what we get, but getting premium future picks from a franchise with a retiring player would be my priority. I'd keep an eye on Philly as well.
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I doubt this was on the table. GS doesn't seem like an "all the picks" type franchise. Not including Pods was the tell. Those picks would have had protections, and if they did. What was the point?
 
framer said:
I doubt this was on the table. GS doesn't seem like an "all the picks" type franchise. Not including Pods was the tell. Those picks would have had protections, and if they did. What was the point?
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Shams had it as all the picks with no Podz or Podz without all the picks. Everyone here said it must be literally everything including all their young guys+picks, but we're delusional over here.
 
KqWIN said:
It is impossible to know what exactly was on the table, but Shams had it as Kuminga+all the picks. If that's still on the table, I definitely say take it. Maybe we can sign Kuminga to something like a two year max with a team option for third year. That makes the salary match easier. I'm also would not be too picky about what we get, but getting premium future picks from a franchise with a retiring player would be my priority. I'd keep an eye on Philly as well.
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framer said:
I doubt this was on the table. GS doesn't seem like an "all the picks" type franchise. Not including Pods was the tell. Those picks would have had protections, and if they did. What was the point?
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I got the impression they held back just enough on the picks that we kinda just disengaged. I also think they are worried about mortgaging the future so I can believe this as well. May have been like a couple unprotected picks and a swap but I really wanted it all if we were going to do it.

With how the Warriors are trending they may have a top 10 pick to offer this summer lol.
 
KqWIN said:
Shams had it as all the picks with no Podz or Podz without all the picks. Everyone here said it must be literally everything including all their young guys+picks, but we're delusional over here.
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It has been my experience that NBA media is useless about reporting on the details of trades that don't happen. Probably because teams won't deal with other teams that leak like sieves.

Had the value Danny wanted been there, he does the trade no doubt in my mind, if anything for the bragging rights of turning one player (Mitchell) into 6 unprotected FRPs.

It is also possible that Lauri wouldn't guarantee re-signing, with GS which seems like it could be a thing too.
 
The Kings JVs have some interesting guys playing for them. Their three two way players and Colby Jones a high 2nd round draft pick last year. These four aren't making much salary but they all look like ballers. They also have the best record in the GLeague at the moment.
 
Jazz trade value rankings imo

Kessler: Two firsts in teens
Markkanen: One first in teens and expiring contracts
Sexton: One first in early 20s and an expiring contract
Hendricks: One first in late 20s
Keyonte: One first in late 20s
Collins: Two seconds in 40s and an expiring contract
Filipowski: One early second
Collier: One early second
Brice: One early second
Svi: One early second
Cody: One early second
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
Jazz trade value rankings imo

Kessler: Two firsts in teens
Markkanen: One first in teens and expiring contracts
Sexton: One first in early 20s and an expiring contract
Hendricks: One first in late 20s
Keyonte: One first in late 20s
Collins: Two seconds in 40s and an expiring contract
Filipowski: One early second
Collier: One early second
Brice: One early second
Svi: One early second
Cody: One early second
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Christ on a bike, man. If that is the price for Markkanen, he will be moved as soon as legally possible. I would be extremely surprised if that is all it would take and would even consider something like FVV + Reed Shephard from the Rockets to be on the lower side of what I would seriously consider.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
Christ on a bike, man. If that is the price for Markkanen, he will be moved as soon as legally possible. I would be extremely surprised if that is all it would take and would even consider something like FVV + Reed Shephard from the Rockets to be on the lower side of what I would seriously consider.
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Markkanen has had a down year, has been injured a ton recently, has been an extremely bad defender this year, and is on a full four year max.

Obviously none of these guys will be traded other than Sexton or Collins potentially.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
Markkanen has had a down year, has been injured a ton recently, has been an extremely bad defender this year, and is on a full four year max.
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I`m pretty sure most GMs understand that Lauri will be much better with a good creator beside him, that most of his injuries will coneniently go away when his team has something to play for and actually see his long term contract as a good thing. For next year, he is on a 30% max, which will go down to around 27% for the final three years as the salary remains the same for 26-27 as 25-26 and climbs from there.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
I`m pretty sure most GMs understand that Lauri will be much better with a good creator beside him, that most of his injuries will coneniently go away when his team has something to play for and actually see his long term contract as a good thing. For next year, he is on a 30% max, which will go down to around 27% for the final three years as the salary remains the same for 26-27 as 25-26 and climbs from there.
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I don't know, Markkanen physically looks really bad this year so I have to assume his injuries are at least somewhat real. His explosion is completely gone.

Him having no creators around him does excuse some of his offensive decline, but him also being one of the worst defenders in the NBA this year also makes him very questionable as to whether he's even worth this contract.

Again, his trade value has declined so terribly since the 2024 deadline that it's basically impossible to trade him without Ainge getting fired, but I think this is just his trade value now.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
I don't know, Markkanen physically looks really bad this year so I have to assume his injuries are at least somewhat real. His explosion is completely gone.

Him having no creators around him does excuse some of his offensive decline, but him also being one of the worst defenders in the NBA this year also makes him very questionable as to whether he's even worth this contract.

Again, his trade value has declined so terribly since the 2024 deadline that it's basically impossible to trade him without Ainge getting fired, but I think this is just his trade value now.
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Dude, you're stinking up this board like the other one.
 
Lauri's trade value has declined for various reasons, no doubt, but Kessler supposedly being more valuable than him on the open market is a joke.

Don't get me wrong, I like Walker and he's becoming a truly great offensive rebounder, but he's also still shooting .547 at the stripe and averaging just 1.5 FT makes per game, which is terrible for a guy who only works right at the rim.
 
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