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2025 Free Agency Thread

KqWIN said:
Collins is going to make you win more games. How many that is…depends on how many minutes, but it’s not black and white in the sense that we’re winning games or we’re not. He is going to hurt the tank, the extent to which he does can debated.

I don’t really value the “playing with the vets” thing. I don’t think it helped the young guys last year and I don’t think it’s had much value historically. Hard to prove one way or another. I just prefer the minutes and opportunity to be there. I agreed with dumping Sexton to clear minutes for the guards, I’d agree with dumping Collins to clear minutes for the wings/bigs.

I want out of this “hope he plays his way into winning value on tanking team” game. Especially when our pick is on the line and we’re supposedly not manipulating minutes.
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Playing with starters certainly helped Collier. Bailey will need spacing to work on his game as well. Jazz bench minutes last year were absolute soup. I don't want to watch a full game of that slop.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The thing that makes this such a glaring error is that we’ve already identified the error of Ainge’s need to win trades and squeeze every team and that we lose value when he makes that decision. We knew this was happening three years ago.
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I hated how some Jazz fans gloated about that. Like it’s an always a good thing that Ainge is such a stubborn negotiator. Maybe it had worked in the past and in certain moves, but we definitely lost in many cases.
 
framer said:
Playing with starters certainly helped Collier. Bailey will need spacing to work on his game as well. Jazz bench minutes last year were absolute soup. I don't want to watch a full game of that slop.
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Collier started playing better as the season went on. Did you forget who stopped playing as much as the season went on?
 
NUMBERICA said:
The thing that makes this such a glaring error is that we’ve already identified the error of Ainge’s need to win trades and squeeze every team and that we lose value when he makes that decision. We knew this was happening three years ago.
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Winning trades is how you build a freaking team. How is constantly losing trades going for the Pelicans? They keep getting that lottery luck we dream about and they still suck, year after year.
 
KqWIN said:
Collins is going to make you win more games. How many that is…depends on how many minutes, but it’s not black and white in the sense that we’re winning games or we’re not. He is going to hurt the tank, the extent to which he does can debated.

I don’t really value the “playing with the vets” thing. I don’t think it helped the young guys last year and I don’t think it’s had much value historically. Hard to prove one way or another. I just prefer the minutes and opportunity to be there. I agreed with dumping Sexton to clear minutes for the guards, I’d agree with dumping Collins to clear minutes for the wings/bigs.

I want out of this “hope he plays his way into winning value on tanking team” game. Especially when our pick is on the line and we’re supposedly not manipulating minutes.
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I think in some situations it is extremely valuable for young guys to play with good vets and other times it's not. Cool, if you disagree.

I never said and am not talking about Collins playing himself in to value. I don't think that happens either. It's more of a situational thing where he could become a target or a need for a team mid season. He almost netted us a first round pick from SAC last year if the reporting is true.
 
KqWIN said:
Locke basically said that the Lakers were fighting over 2 versus 3 picks before the 22/23 season in a Conley+Bojan+others for Westbrook trade. We ended up with one pick....but we lost so much more along the way.
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This is a firable offense.
 
Anyone know where Ayton’s likely going to end up?

Lakers? Pacers?

Could impact our ability to trade Kessler…
 
framer said:
Winning trades is how you build a freaking team. How is constantly losing trades going for the Pelicans? They keep getting that lottery luck we dream about and they still suck, year after year.
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Winning trades as in if he doesn’t fleece another team, he’s not going to make a trade. There is plenty of value to extract making mutually equitable deals transitioning from win-now to bottoming out and it looks like we lost more value than we gained using his strategy.
 
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