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50 Reasons Not To Go To BYU

Because Bronze is much lighter than Gold. If you have to carry a trophy, then make it a 3rd place trophy. Them thar gold'uns get heavy, yo.

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I'm allergic to Utah gear. Makes me break out in hives.
I'd probably get a special made red shirt that says "I love BYU but my kid plays at Utah so I support him/her :("

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Having to deal with their ridiculous athletic security Nazis. When I was but a lad, I played hoops down with my friend (who was going to school there) and his father (who was a professor). The security nazi, who literally everyone called Napolean because of his 3 feet of height, got mad at me for having the wristband on the wrong wrist or something stupid like that. It was against the dress code. Then I got just beyond the curtain of the next court with Travis Hansen shooting 3s without a shirt on... Completely ignoring the numerous signs which demand strict adherence to the dress code. Of course, Napolean didnt confront Travis. Just the lil kids trying to play basketball.

Oh, and that was after Hansen had graduated. I think he had a stint overseas or with the hawks. I didnt see any guest pass for him either.
 
The immoral girls who live in Belmont Condos whose Cali parents pay for anything. They do everything porn stars do plus more 6 days a week. Then they lead their relief society in prayers and song on Sunday.

The men there are no different. Parents from Cali pay for everything. Or they work as security salesmen over the summer. Dudes are some of the worst human beings on the planet. Yet every Sunday, they're model citizens. Sooooooo much at Belmont goes unreported. Not only would it mean church disciplinary action, but possible expulsion from school and the condos. Guys like Davies and Unga aren't the only people breaking the honor code. They were just a few who were caught.
 
Having to deal with huge buildups before big games and then laying complete Utah jazz like eggs. Florida st, TCU, Boise St. All come to mind.... Ugh.
 
Praying before class. That's just weird.

Also, institute grades counting towards your GPA. Again, messed up. Grads schools don't care about your "god" GPA and God doesn't care about your "earthly" GPA (or so all the speakers in GC say so).

So, why does BYU make that a priority?
 
Those two reasons are why I left that school. I transferred up to Utah, got the "Mormon" experience without having to pray before I learned about chemical bonds and not worrying about an overzealous institute professor assigning a 10 page report on why Nephi "went and did" and have it screw up my GPA when I decided I was at University to get into grad school, not argue minute points in Sunday School.
 
Those two reasons are why I left that school. I transferred up to Utah, got the "Mormon" experience without having to pray before I learned about chemical bonds and not worrying about an overzealous institute professor assigning a 10 page report on why Nephi "went and did" and have it screw up my GPA when I decided I was at University to get into grad school, not argue minute points in Sunday School.

I've never understood this.

Maybe someone could shed some light on this? Why do these classes count towards your GPA? And why do they feel like arguing such ridiculous points? Like... Why Nephites saw and did... Or what forms of mental illness did Laman and Lemuel display? To me, this is toxic.

#1 the BOM was never meant to be used as a textbook. Hence, why many details and histories about I their lives are left out. It focuses rather, on their teachings of Christ and his Atonement.
#2 Trying to examine a book that was never intended for scientific examination leads to gross assumptions. This can prove to have a negative effect rather than a positive one. Perhaps that is why we here in Utah have so many people predicting the 2nd coming and why x people haven't received the priesthood yet don't understand the basic principles of the gospel. Nearly every year a general authority must warn about false revelation and incorrect assumptions. I can't help but wonder if (over examining sacred documents) which leads to a lot of assumption leads to incorrect "revelation."
#3 Hurts the perception of science. Those involved in real science actually must dig in find and test evidence. Those doing a research project on Nephi pull stuff out of their rear and roll with it. As a result, I think many people's perception of science then becomes just that. Pulling stuff out of your rear.

Now I recognize the irony of this post. I have no evidence of what I just posted. I'm essentially pulling stuff out of my rear too. I just don't feel like these classes should count towards your GPA. Nor do I feel like they need to be as deep as they make them out to be. One cannot perform a scientific study of a 2,000 year old person whose entire history is depicted on a few pages meant for spiritual enlightenment.

It's the same reason why speculating on Christ's "marriage" or whether he ever had children is ridiculous. The Bible wasn't meant to be a history guide. Or to be a scientific study. But to teach folks about some of Christ's basic teachings.
 
I've heard their parking enforcement is pretty brutal, too.

I've heard that too but haven't experienced it. Parking enforcement in Provo is brutal. I had a friend who was booted. He literally lived across the street from where he was booted. He parked on the other side of the street one night and ended up being booted by some rental cop. It was thee biggest waste of 100 bucks as he literally lived 50 footsteps away. But because he parked on the other side of the road which had a (hidden) sign, he got screwed.

I had one close call where I came outside just as the guy had connected my car to his tow truck. Apparently I had parked in private parking. Which was weird since it appeared to be the same parking lot as the dance club I was in (this was back when i was young and into college crap). No sign was posted. So I guess you're just supposed to "know" these things in Provo.

The problem is, between UVU and BYU, you have a million kids living in a small area. This makes them a prime target for unscrupulous apt owners and tow truck companies. That area surrounding university parkway, bulldog, and freedom blvd is just a freaking gold mine for so many.
 
I've never understood this.

Maybe someone could shed some light on this? Why do these classes count towards your GPA? And why do they feel like arguing such ridiculous points? Like... Why Nephites saw and did... Or what forms of mental illness did Laman and Lemuel display? To me, this is toxic.

#1 the BOM was never meant to be used as a textbook. Hence, why many details and histories about I their lives are left out. It focuses rather, on their teachings of Christ and his Atonement.
#2 Trying to examine a book that was never intended for scientific examination leads to gross assumptions. This can prove to have a negative effect rather than a positive one. Perhaps that is why we here in Utah have so many people predicting the 2nd coming and why x people haven't received the priesthood yet don't understand the basic principles of the gospel. Nearly every year a general authority must warn about false revelation and incorrect assumptions. I can't help but wonder if (over examining sacred documents) which leads to a lot of assumption leads to incorrect "revelation."
#3 Hurts the perception of science. Those involved in real science actually must dig in find and test evidence. Those doing a research project on Nephi pull stuff out of their rear and roll with it. As a result, I think many people's perception of science then becomes just that. Pulling stuff out of your rear.

Now I recognize the irony of this post. I have no evidence of what I just posted. I'm essentially pulling stuff out of my rear too. I just don't feel like these classes should count towards your GPA. Nor do I feel like they need to be as deep as they make them out to be. One cannot perform a scientific study of a 2,000 year old person whose entire history is depicted on a few pages meant for spiritual enlightenment.

It's the same reason why speculating on Christ's "marriage" or whether he ever had children is ridiculous. The Bible wasn't meant to be a history guide. Or to be a scientific study. But to teach folks about some of Christ's basic teachings.

My experience with BYU religion classes was that they focused on the principles of the gospel as taught in the scriptures that the course focused on. Usually I learned more about the gospel from this teachers than elsewhere. Sometimes the teacher would have some knowledge of the original language and would question how certain phrases were translated from the Bible. As for them counting towards my GPA- I was all for it. They usually were the easiest classes I had. I was plugged into the BYU community enough to figure out who were the religion teachers I wanted no part of.

I never had a professor what presented the scriptures as scientific fact.

IMO the best part of BYU was the great students and professors I met. This might of happened at other universities, but I felt I had a better chance at a good experience at BYU.

Now I have had several siblings go to Utah without becoming social deviants. So to each his own.
 
I've heard that too but haven't experienced it. Parking enforcement in Provo is brutal. I had a friend who was booted. He literally lived across the street from where he was booted. He parked on the other side of the street one night and ended up being booted by some rental cop. It was thee biggest waste of 100 bucks as he literally lived 50 footsteps away. But because he parked on the other side of the road which had a (hidden) sign, he got screwed.

I had one close call where I came outside just as the guy had connected my car to his tow truck. Apparently I had parked in private parking. Which was weird since it appeared to be the same parking lot as the dance club I was in (this was back when i was young and into college crap). No sign was posted. So I guess you're just supposed to "know" these things in Provo.

The problem is, between UVU and BYU, you have a million kids living in a small area. This makes them a prime target for unscrupulous apt owners and tow truck companies. That area surrounding university parkway, bulldog, and freedom blvd is just a freaking gold mine for so many.

I just always parked at my apartments and walked on campus. So no comment.
 
I can only recall a couple instances in which a prayer was said before class, and I'm pretty sure it was only in religion classes. With regard to The Book of Mormon being explained scientifically, as you said, you pulled that out of your butt. I'm assuming you're referencing an amalgam of friends' opinions when ranting about what they don't like about religion classes.

And why do they feel like arguing such ridiculous points? Like... .. what forms of mental illness did Laman and Lemuel display? To me, this is toxic.

Reference? If this is another thing pulled out of your *** I'd say propagating it is toxic.
 
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