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Aaron Gordon = Kawhi Leonard

seattlejazzfan said:
In addition to defense, he'll rebound, run the floor, finish, etc.
Gordon is pobably the most bust-proof guy among the top 8.
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I agree. I like everything else he brings. I just think if you draft him you have to base it on the skills you know he has. You can't factor in that you think he will learn to shoot at some point. This draft is a GM's nightmare. There are 5 or 6 guys grouped together that could all turn into great players. It's one of those drafts where two years from now everyone could be asking "why the hell didn't we draft that guy". Glad it's not my job.
 
d@!!0n0rcutt said:
There may be some things Leonard does better than Gordon but basically the same player coming out of college. I will say it again if Aaron Gordon can hit the corner 3 40+% then he will be one of the top 3 players in this draft, if not the best player! There I said it, I think Aaron Gordon could be the best player in this draft, his work ethic and non stop motor on the court leads me to believe Aaron will develop a nice shot because Aaron will work for it, and heck he is only 18. Something also stood out to me in the Walt Perrin interview yesterday after workouts was that "most players coming into the league don't play any defense or don't know how to play defense correctly" which is why they have to be leaning toward standing pat and just letting Aaron Gordon just fall to them, because I won't even say if he develops a shot but when he does, Aaron Gordon will be the best player in this draft. The kid can still grow at 18 years old, I grew two inches on my mission from 19 to 21 years old. Aaron Gordon could end up being as tall as Durant, almost 7 feet tall. Here is the interview by Walt Perrin yesterday...

https://youtu.be/zG-Bs2YrGaI
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He can hit shots.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj4OFtvFcYY
 
seattlejazzfan said:
If there is one thing the playoffs show us year after year it's the importance of having a wing defender in the NBA to defend guys like PG, KD, LJ, Beal, Harden,etc. I'm not high on AG, but because he should be able, at the very least, to come in and play that role, I'd be fine with him at 5 - especially over Exum.

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Yeah since we all know the team with the best wing defense has won the title every year for the last zero years in a row ever.


The only thing the playoffs continually teach us is that you need to have one of the best players in the league and a good cast surrounding them. Kobe. Dirk, durant, lebron have been in the finals or won titles recently, and they were among the best in the league, coupled with good coaching and on a decent, if not great team around them.

We are drafting in this draft for a top tier player, not some guy who we can trot out as our one sided "answer" to lebron or Durant. We need a Durant or a lebron or even a Paul pierce. If Aaron gordon is going to be a one dimensional stopper playing spot minutes, then why the hell not just pick up a similar player later in the draft? It would certainly cost less.
 
Clean tony early is a good candidate later in the draft if we are looking for a 3 and D guy this year. Would rather have him if that is all Aaron gordon is going to be.


I don't hate gordon, I am just not sold on his potential to be Scottie pippen or Shawn Marion like the rest in this thread.
 
b_line said:
Yeah since we all know the team with the best wing defense has won the title every year for the last zero years in a row ever.


The only thing the playoffs continually teach us is that you need to have one of the best players in the league and a good cast surrounding them. Kobe. Dirk, durant, lebron have been in the finals or won titles recently, and they were among the best in the league, coupled with good coaching and on a decent, if not great team around them.

We are drafting in this draft for a top tier player, not some guy who we can trot out as our one sided "answer" to lebron or Durant. We need a Durant or a lebron or even a Paul pierce. If Aaron gordon is going to be a one dimensional stopper playing spot minutes, then why the hell not just pick up a similar player later in the draft? It would certainly cost less.
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most teams I've remembered that have won it all had good wing defense
 
LazyD said:
most teams I've remembered that have won it all had good wing defense
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b-line is cute.

2014 - SAS - Kawhi (beat LeBron)
2013 and 2012 - Heat - LeBron (beat Durant)
2011 - Dallas - Marion (beat LeBron)
2010 and 2009 - Kobe, Artest (beat Pierce)
2008 - Boston - Tony Allen (beat Kobe)
2007 - SAS - Bruce Bowen. (beat LeBron)

I don't think we need to continue, but we certainly can if b-line doesn't get the point. Many of those teams had superstars at the wing, but some didn't - the only common denominator is that all had an elite wing defender. And in those cases where there wasn't a superstar wing, they always beat a team with an elite wing scorer.
 
LazyD said:
most teams I've remembered that have won it all had good wing defense
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But outside of lebron, it was not from their best player. We are looking for a superstar. These guys are talking about Aaron gordon playing situationally and becoming the next kawhi Leonard like that is what we tanked for. We want kd, not sefalosha. Dirk, not Marion.

Kawhi Leonard is a good player, but he is not single handedly leading his team to the title. The spurs still have Duncan, Parker and ginobili, and the best team concept ever invented.

All I am saying is that we can get good defense on the wing somewhere other than our top pick. So of we are trying to become sold in Aaron gordon, what else can he do? Why is he more than a one dimensional player?
 
b_line said:
But outside of lebron, it was not from their best player. We are looking for a superstar. These guys are talking about Aaron gordon playing situationally and becoming the next kawhi Leonard like that is what we tanked for. We want kd, not sefalosha. Dirk, not Marion.

Kawhi Leonard is a good player, but he is not single handedly leading his team to the title. The spurs still have Duncan, Parker and ginobili, and the best team concept ever invented.

All I am saying is that we can get good defense on the wing somewhere other than our top pick. So of we are trying to become sold in Aaron gordon, what else can he do? Why is he more than a one dimensional player?
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Your last paragraph is probably true, but that doesn't change my comment that having an elite wing defender is essential to Nba playoff success. I'm not advocating the Jazz draft Gordon, I'm just saying he brings some things to the table that add value and i'd be okay if he's the guy.

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seattlejazzfan said:
b-line is cute.

2014 - SAS - Kawhi
2013 and 2012 - Heat - LeBron
2011 - Dallas - Marion
2010 and 2009 - Kobe, Artest
2008 - Boston - Tony Allen
2007 - SAS - Bruce Bowen.

I don't think we need to continue, but we certainly can if b-line doesn't get the point. Many of those teams had superstars at the wing, but some didn't - the only common denominator is that all had an elite wing defender.
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Wrong. The only common denominator is that each team had an elite superstar playing out of their mind. Yes they had good defense.

But they also had lebron, Duncan, Parker, pierce, Garnett, Ray Allen, Dwayne wade, etc.

To say that we are going to contend for a title by getting good wing defense is a little bit premature. We don't have anyone on this team even remotely close to as good as tony Parker this year. Let alone lebron. If you are drafting for wing defense, at least pick a guy whose current and projected position is not power forward. Gordon might be great, and I can see an argument for picking him, if he reaches his potential. But the argument that wing defense wins titles is predicated on having a superstar on the team as well, at least if you look at the evidence of the last thirty years title teams excluding Detroit in 2004.
 
Pop himself has said that Kawhi is just beginning to feel what it is like to be great on the perimeter ON BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT. In other words, Kawhi played down low in college, and, according to Pop, it has taken him this long to fully adjust and realize his gifts.

Gordon has talent, but he has further to go than Kawhi did.

Gordon is a good prospect, but he's definitely a project.

(Can you believe the Spurs got Kawhi for George ****ing Hill???)
 
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Let's face it...

We suck.

If we ever hope to compete in the top 4 let alone at the Spurs' level, we need to upgrade our wings, upgrade our PG, upgrade our bench, obtain another 2-3 shooters, completely overhaul our coaching (hopefully Snyder does that), and finally get ourselves a defensive big (maybe Favors finds a heart or Gobert Report figures things out).

It's not just 1 or 2 players that will magically transform this team. We earned our bottom of the WC record.

This team regardless of who they draft this year is headed to the lottery for at least another year or two. Not even rookie Lebron or magic could bring this team from worst in the WC to playoff in 1 year.
 
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