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Sirkickyass said:
Do you believe that all trade agreements, which basically are universally negotiated behind closed doors, signal some kind of nefarious conspiracy?
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I do if it gives the government (and other non government groups) powers similar to the patriot act.
 
Sirkickyass said:
To follow up on this point: part of credibility on an issue is not falling victim to the chicken little routine. That's especially true when it's founded upon claims that posting a youtube video of your child's birthday is going to run you into serious piracy problems.
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whit deep packet inspection and "super"computer within reach scrapers could be used searching for signature.

point in case a few months ago a certain fileserver , hotfile gave warner bross permission to scan and automatically delete files that where in violation of copyright laws. all good right

but then warnerbross descigned a crawler and started delting files needles to say they started deleting files on which no copyright rests.

the crawler started delting everything
for example in their crawler they put key word "Harry's" (obviously cus they own that harry potter crap)
but now if i Called my homemade program "Harry's home made porn tool" they would just delete it cus the crawler was not overseen by a human. there was no oversight on what was deleted and whatnot. but ofcourse this is no big deal its just deleting files.

but with these facre called ACTA they could do this on a GLOBAL scale. eg happy birthday being sung on youtube(happy birthday is on copyright till 2016 if i'm not mistaken) thereby deleting the file. and offcourse after some time they will start taking it one step further deleting the file. and than because of this acta crap they will know your ip your home adres(without obtaining warrant.
and they sent you a fine for copyrigth violations.

when money is on the line history shows humanity will fail.



this acta law allows that without trial or warrants or such legal mumbo jumbo. to be cut off from internet. and internet now adays is a must certain tax returns and other important stuff we cant do with internet here.

so take this as you may. acta is BAD NEWS
 
also the acta is a world agreement putting borders on the internet criminalizing people for sending a bunch of zeros and one past an imaginary border.
yet the countries that sign it(eventually will sign it) is only 12.7% of the world population. not very (global)democratic is it.

also acta will not stop offline counterfitting as of now most counterfit stuff comes from china and russia. note that those 2 countries wont sign it and want nothing to do when it comes to offline counterfitting.

tell me this why weren't Representative of THE PEOPLE not allowed in the negotiations but some fat greesy mafia enum i mean studio boss was allowed to attend and influence this crap
 
also this patent/ip law is getting ridicluous point in case the numerous lawsuit crApple did to samsung for tablets and phones and such.
patent and ip law are there to support progress. but today it mostly brings it to a halt
 
SaltyDawg said:
I do if it gives the government (and other non government groups) powers similar to the patriot act.
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This is argument by analogy though. I think you're going to have to do a little more explaining regarding why deep packet inspection is fundamentally different from what is authorized under present US law and what specific rights are violated.

I think there's sort of this maxim at work that everything about the internet is totally free that's guiding a thought process here. I don't believe that's necessarily true or even particularly wise so I'm not jumping all over any boogeyman as a result.

DutchJazzer said:
whit deep packet inspection and "super"computer within reach scrapers could be used searching for signature.

point in case a few months ago a certain fileserver , hotfile gave warner bross permission to scan and automatically delete files that where in violation of copyright laws. all good right

but then warnerbross descigned a crawler and started delting files needles to say they started deleting files on which no copyright rests.

the crawler started delting everything
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Link please.

Also, and these are unanswerable questions, how does ACTA operate in the context of varying national laws, are countries allowed to sign with exception, and what is the governing body that oversees enforcement?

I think you're assuming it overruns all of these things. Very little precedent indicates that would be the case. Is there any evidence, for example, that ACTA is going to entirely invalidate the fair use doctrine in the United States?
 
DutchJazzer said:
also the acta is a world agreement putting borders on the internet criminalizing people for sending a bunch of zeros and one past an imaginary border.
yet the countries that sign it(eventually will sign it) is only 12.7% of the world population. not very (global)democratic is it.

also acta will not stop offline counterfitting as of now most counterfit stuff comes from china and russia. note that those 2 countries wont sign it and want nothing to do when it comes to offline counterfitting.

tell me this why weren't Representative of THE PEOPLE not allowed in the negotiations but some fat greesy mafia enum i mean studio boss was allowed to attend and influence this crap
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Great point about some music industry mafia don sitting on on a meeting that was kept secret from the public.

Also, great point about China and Russia not signing it. What have we come to if China and Russia are the ones with unobtrusive governments looking out for the people, while the USA gives mafia dons authority to perform deep packet inspection without a warrant?

Wow, I never thought I would see this in my lifetime.
 
Sirkickyass said:
This is argument by analogy though. I think you're going to have to do a little more explaining regarding why deep packet inspection is fundamentally different from what is authorized under present US law and what specific rights are violated.

I think there's sort of this maxim at work that everything about the internet is totally free that's guiding a thought process here. I don't believe that's necessarily true or even particularly wise so I'm not jumping all over any boogeyman as a result.



Link please.

Also, and these are unanswerable questions, how does ACTA operate in the context of varying national laws, are countries allowed to sign with exception, and what is the governing body that oversees enforcement?

I think you're assuming it overruns all of these things. Very little precedent indicates that would be the case. Is there any evidence, for example, that ACTA is going to entirely invalidate the fair use doctrine in the United States?
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I got the link but it's in dutch.

searched some english links
https://torrentfreak.com/hotfile-sues-warner-bros-for-copyright-fraud-and-abuse-110913/
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...es-accusing-warner-brothers-of-dmca-abuse.ars
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/cyberlocker-battle-hotfile-threatens-countersue-224365

there are lots more if you doubt the trustworthiness of these website.

so yeah this might bring more trouble without a warrant and such they where able to delete files that they do not belong.
all acta does is give non government similar powers on a global scale.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Great point about some music industry mafia don sitting on on a meeting that was kept secret from the public.

Also, great point about China and Russia not signing it. What have we come to if China and Russia are the ones with unobtrusive governments looking out for the people, while the USA gives mafia dons authority to perform deep packet inspection without a warrant?

Wow, I never thought I would see this in my lifetime.
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yet the countries that signed that crap sit on some sort of high horse about china and Russia violating human rights. and some may not believe acta violates "feredom of speech", "Right to privacy" and irght to some sort of trial. but it DOES.
 
thank god for wiki-leaks leaking the early draft. that caused some backlash so now the new acta agreement is not as bad as the first drafts. which included a "global" three strike laws.
 
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