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Alec Burks Highlights vs. Wizards

Mantis said:
Then why is he hitting a mere 42.5% of his two-point shots? Only Howard and Tinsley are worse. CJ's penchant for taking and missing long-range jumpers explains why he only hits 43.9% of his two-pointers, but Burks takes fewer jumpers (at least, that's the perception), yet still hits at a lesser rate.

The answer is he is driving when there is no driving lane and compounding the error by taking high degree-of-difficulty shots when he gets to the cup, rather than dishing off. There is no difference between Miles' ill-advised chucks and Burks' MLAs in terms of decision-making, or in terms of results, even if he does manage to draw fouls - he should still be converting at better than 42.5% when he isn't fouled if the majority of his shots are at the rim.
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I'm a little confused..

Cj is shooting overall 38% from the field and 26% from 3
Burks is 42% from the field and 38% from 3

am i missing something?

In a post game interview with burks, he has said corbin told him to make something happen in his time on floor. I'm thinking he interpreted that as "score points when your on the floor". maybe that's why he doesnt look to pass? not really sure of the cause, but his per 36 ast rate is identical to raja and howard.

all i know, is that i love his desire to attack the rim.

he leads the team in fta rate. as a rookie. in this league, on the jazz, that doesnt happen by accident. free throws are one of the major elements separating the stars from the great role players. if lebron and kobe didnt get to the line 10 times a night imagine the difference. not to mention the pressure it puts on the defense having everyone in foul trouble.

we havent had a player get to the line like that since karl, and i hope that if burks ever gets close to 30mpg, he can manage to do it as well.
 
Mantis said:
Then why is he hitting a mere 42.5% of his two-point shots? Only Howard and Tinsley are worse. CJ's penchant for taking and missing long-range jumpers explains why he only hits 43.9% of his two-pointers, but Burks takes fewer jumpers (at least, that's the perception), yet still hits at a lesser rate.

The answer is he is driving when there is no driving lane and compounding the error by taking high degree-of-difficulty shots when he gets to the cup, rather than dishing off. There is no difference between Miles' ill-advised chucks and Burks' MLAs in terms of decision-making, or in terms of results, even if he does manage to draw fouls - he should still be converting at better than 42.5% when he isn't fouled if the majority of his shots are at the rim.
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And this is where the fact that he is a rookie comes in. It would be as ridiculous for us to dismiss him because of these flaws as it would be for others to exalt him to all-star status for what he does right. Like you said to the all-star guy- give it time.
 
Mantis said:
The answer is he is driving when there is no driving lane and compounding the error by taking high degree-of-difficulty shots when he gets to the cup, rather than dishing off. There is no difference between Miles' ill-advised chucks and Burks' MLAs in terms of decision-making, or in terms of results, even if he does manage to draw fouls - he should still be converting at better than 42.5% when he isn't fouled if the majority of his shots are at the rim.
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Uh, no. The foul drawing does make a difference, and on a per possession basis, Burks has thus far been the Jazz's most efficient perimeter scorer off the bench. That is, he creates more points per possession, accounting for times he attempts a shot or is fouled in the act of shooting or turns the ball over, than CJ, Josh or Earl.

And this ignores entirely that he's doing this despite having no defined role or experience playing at this level. If he gets more minutes, he's going to force defenses to be a hell of a lot more honest than CJ, Josh or Earl ever will. He's probably going to continue rebounding the ball and running the floor better than the first of those two as well. Most importantly, unlike those three, he has room to grow (which is huge, since he already leads all Jazz perimeter players in PER and adjusted +/-).
 
Here is some stats to show where Burks stands with the Great scorer/wings in the league and their rookie years. The first number is shooting %, next TS%, lastly assist %. If he gets his assists up 4% he'll be with the majority, but so far his assist% are low (he has shown good court vision in other settings). Otherwise his numbers look fine with the right expectations:

Lebron James: 41.7, 48.8, 27.8
Carmelo Anthony: 42.6, 50.9, 13.8
Kevin Durant: 43, 51.9, 12
Kobe Bryant: 41.7, 54.4, 13.8
James Harden: 40.8, 55.1, 12.8
Manu Ginobilit (25): 43.8, 55.6, 15.8
Joe Johnson: 43, 47.8, 15
Alec Burks: 42, 50.4, 8

But the best of all (except for assists, L.B.J.), Klay Thompson:
46, 57, 12
 
3 pages before GVC makes some sense of this thread.

JJAS, how is TS% calculated?

The above stats illustrate why I wanted Corbin to leave Burks and Kantor and Favors in against Washington, make them close it out, and tell Burks to focus on getting good shots for the other guys for a bit.
 
northeast said:
3 pages before GVC makes some sense of this thread.

JJAS, how is TS% calculated?

The above stats illustrate why I wanted Corbin to leave Burks and Kantor and Favors in against Washington, make them close it out, and tell Burks to focus on getting good shots for the other guys for a bit.
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Here is the definition from basketball prospectus' glossary: https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html. It rewards three-point shooting and FTA.

TS%
True Shooting Percentage; the formula is PTS / (2 * (FGA + 0.44 * FTA)). True shooting percentage is a measure of shooting efficiency that takes into account field goals, 3-point field goals, and free throws.

Let's take his last game as an example; he had no FTA (amazingly) and one three,: 13/(2 * (7 + 0)) = 13/14 = 93% TS% vs 6/7 (86%).

Another good example is his game against NOLA:
He shot 1/3 (33%) but had 10 FTA. His TS% was thus about 60%.
 
northeast said:
The formula of

PTS / (FTA + FGA/2)

is just as valid for comparative purposes, and much simpler to use.
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Sure, no stat is perfect, but it's easy to compare others with this stat because it's common and I don't have to compute it; I just read the computation. I'm a bit confused on this stat that you're proposing. Are you doing it simply for comparative purposes or trying to figure out some sort of shooting percentage? With this formula, Burks against NOLA has a rating/percentage?? of 78.3 or .783 (9/(10 + 3/2) = 9/11.5) when he shot 33%, correct?
 
green said:
Holy crap guys, just enjoy the show.
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If you stand at sunset and admire the beauty of nature, listing to the sounds of birds and seeing a sitka blacktailed deer, you can have an enjoyable experience by "enjoying the show." But if you realize that you are hearing the sound of a once endangered bird species that is now thriving and that the sikta blacktailed deer is quite rare, it can increase the enjoyment you receive while enjoying the show. With every detail you can live just a bit more, experience more vibrantly and intensely. That is what I am doing, my friend. And don't forget, "the unexamined life is not worth living for humankind". --Socrates
 
Mantis said:
Then why is he hitting a mere 42.5% of his two-point shots? Only Howard and Tinsley are worse. CJ's penchant for taking and missing long-range jumpers explains why he only hits 43.9% of his two-pointers, but Burks takes fewer jumpers (at least, that's the perception), yet still hits at a lesser rate.

The answer is he is driving when there is no driving lane and compounding the error by taking high degree-of-difficulty shots when he gets to the cup, rather than dishing off. There is no difference between Miles' ill-advised chucks and Burks' MLAs in terms of decision-making, or in terms of results, even if he does manage to draw fouls - he should still be converting at better than 42.5% when he isn't fouled if the majority of his shots are at the rim.
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There's no difference? Sure seems like there is difference from the eye test. Just on a basic level I'd much rather see a guy be more aggressive then take fall away 20+ footers without doing much else.
 
aybars said:
? i say apples,u say oranges
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Perhaps I didn't express it well enough. My point was I'd be worried about his assist ratio if he was just given the ball and he'd launch it up. In Burks' case he's actually trying to get to the rim and get to the line. When he gets more comfortable with the game those passes will come as getting to the hole frees up players (players who will have to collapse on Burks) instead of just throwing up long *** shots, and Burks has proven he has the ability to be a good passer.
 
Corbin has told Burks to be extremely aggressive and with that comes some bad shots. No one should be hating on him for this. I know its a limited sample size but Burks is hitting his three's at 38%, and was draining them like mad in the summer charity games. Several analysts said Burks was top 3 worthy if he had a three point shot and all signs point to him having improved drastically there. Another bonus is his rebounding rate is at 5 per 36 minutes. That puts him in elite company for a SG, right up there with Dwayne Wade.
 
siromar said:
How pretentious.
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Not meant to be, but his statement is a basic philosophical stance, "you are not enjoying something as fully when you examine it". I also have no desire to impress anyone on here in any way; when you try to impress someone, you usually want something: money, sex, power etc. I did my elaborate response more as an exaggerated and harmlessly facetious way of getting my point across. Sorry it came across as trying to impress to you.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Corbin has told Burks to be extremely aggressive and with that comes some bad shots. No one should be hating on him for this. I know its a limited sample size but Burks is hitting his three's at 38%, and was draining them like mad in the summer charity games. Several analysts said Burks was top 3 worthy if he had a three point shot and all signs point to him having improved drastically there. Another bonus is his rebounding rate is at 5 per 36 minutes. That puts him in elite company for a SG, right up there with Dwayne Wade.
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This is something that very few have mentioned: his rebounding is superb for his position!
 
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