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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (democratic socialist) wins NY primary

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Siro said:
I don't think I've ever seen a single good debate between well know public figures. I've watched dozens. Maybe hundreds if you count debates between pop-atheists and religious apologists.
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Debates between atheists and religious folk are the most cringy, pointless debates of all.
 
JustTheTip said:
He doesn’t want to help her by debating, so he had bad intentions?

Bro. You wanna talk false logic?C’mon.

1) You make this seem like a bad thing. In what debate from opposing parties do they want to help each other? Calling it bad intentions makes it seem worse though, and that is intentionally misleading.

2) She said conservatives are afraid to debate her. A conservative challenged her to a debate, while offering to donate to her political campaign. (Bad intentions tho). She then responded by comparing it to catcalling.

Soooo...when you challenge people, then respond to challengers by saying it’s similar to catcalling (which she only said bc Shapiro is a male), you come off looking dumb.

3) She doesn’t have to debate Shapiro. She shouldn’t debate him, tbh. But her response shows her immaturity and lack of wisdom.
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He's parroting and mimicking what he thinks he should say because of what he thinks he knows about Shapiro imo.

This is something I'm working on not doing as much myself.
 
JustTheTip said:
He doesn’t want to help her by debating, so he had bad intentions?

Bro. You wanna talk false logic?C’mon.

1) You make this seem like a bad thing. In what debate from opposing parties do they want to help each other? Calling it bad intentions makes it seem worse though, and that is intentionally misleading.

2) She said conservatives are afraid to debate her. A conservative challenged her to a debate, while offering to donate to her political campaign. (Bad intentions tho). She then responded by comparing it to catcalling.

Soooo...when you challenge people, then respond to challengers by saying it’s similar to catcalling (which she only said bc Shapiro is a male), you come off looking dumb.

3) She doesn’t have to debate Shapiro. She shouldn’t debate him, tbh. But her response shows her immaturity and lack of wisdom.
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As I stated I was basing it on the tweets if she said people are afraid to debate her then I change my stance on her tweet. But I already started that.

Combining all debated with this instance Is changing the conversation. No, all debates are not bad intentions. Him wanting to debate her right now means he wants to prove her wrong and make her look bad. That's pretty safe assumption and naive to think otherwise.

I think his response does immaturity and lack of wisdom.

He changed the argument to make himself look better.

But if she really said conservatives were afraid to debate her and then had she gave that response to him offering to debate him that's a bad response from her. But how response was also silly, immature, and poor logic.

So most likely if everything being said is true they both look dumb and immature.
 
Archie Moses said:
What about her tweet though? I mean, she didn't even respond to Shapiro and made herself look like a victim while making a dumb, irrelevant comparison.
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I agree, if she did state that conservatives were afraid to debate her then have that response to a challenge that is dumb. That's why I said based on these tweets and not on other context. But his response was still terrible.

This makes both of them look bad.
 
Archie Moses said:
He's parroting and mimicking what he thinks he should say because of what he thinks he knows about Shapiro imo.

This is something I'm working on not doing as much myself.
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I know nothing about Shapiro. Like I said I don't know who he is besides from you on here. I don't know what others opinions are of him before I've never heard anyone discussing him.

I don't know his stance on anything. I only assume he is conservative based on this conversation. Which means I probably agree with 1/2 of what he says. I'm a fairly conservative person.

So my opinions are not parroted from anyone since I don't know what they are.

You seem to be very defensive of him and jumping to conclusions.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Combining all debated with this instance Is changing the conversation. No, all debates are not bad intentions. Him wanting to debate her right now means he wants to prove her wrong and make her look bad. That's pretty safe assumption and naive to think otherwise.
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I think Shapiro wants to know answers to some of the things she says. If she gave Shapiro legitimate answers, she'd have nothing to worry about. If she didn't, then obviously she's making herself look bad. Shapiro would capitalize on it too and would be stupid not to.

She says some things I think a lot of people want clarified.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ecking-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-media-blitz/
 
Siro said:
I don't think I've ever seen a single good debate between well know public figures. I've watched dozens. Maybe hundreds if you count debates between pop-atheists and religious apologists.
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I've seen some, I enjoy debates though when things stay polite. Hannity debated Michael Moore in Orem once and it was pretty entertaining.
 
Siro said:
I watched a debate between Hannity and Rocky Anderson here in SLC. Was worthless.
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I was mildly hopeful for that one but it was terrible. It makes a debate awful when you have 2 people that dont really have facts on what they are debating.

Debates are much more interesting between experts in a field of expertise.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I know nothing about Shapiro. Like I said I don't know who he is besides from you on here. I don't know what others opinions are of him before I've never heard anyone discussing him.

I don't know his stance on anything. I only assume he is conservative based on this conversation. Which means I probably agree with 1/2 of what he says. I'm a fairly conservative person.

So my opinions are not parroted from anyone since I don't know what they are.

You seem to be very defensive of him and jumping to conclusions.
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I mean, you did say he was owned by her and based it off of gobbledygook.

Plus, a lot of responses from members on Jazzfanz about Shapiro have been pretty negative, so I have a hard time believing you're in that big of a vacuum when it comes to him.

He has the second biggest pod cast on iTunes and has millions of followers. I read the news daily and see him come up a lot on various different news agencies. I'd consider you to be an informed dude who at least somewhat follows politics, so it's weird think you really don't know anything about him. I guess, I should give you the benefit of the doubt and apologize for assuming your intentions. My bad.
 
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