All gun control advocates please Report here!

[DutchJazzer]

ok, so i have been watching the venezuela news
last report is 53 days non stop protest. and about 49 deaths. and the govenrment isn't moving!


it is digging in! and no sign of budging!


so not interested in what kind of government it is or if it is true socialism or not!



but people want the government gone, the government derives is just power to govern, from the people! I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THAT!


so we agree the people want the government gone, their are mast protest, but their are casualties directly of protest, about 1 a day.
their are also casualties because of the situation, people die younger because of malnutrition, people just die of starvation, lack of medicine!

my solution is supply the people with guns sit back and watch what happens, maybe they get lucky and they have their own 1776(which i doubt, because of south american culture is the culture of dependence. trust me i KNOW)


but the 2nd amendment is exactly for this reason!


not really gonna argue with you guys about this!


just wanna know what the gun control advocates think of this, and what their solution is! or just wait it out and weather the storm, see if the government goes home!

just wanna see you guys who want various formmore the extreme form of gun control) to see if you have a solution!

 

[MVP]

Are you saying that if Venezuelans would have unlimited access to guns it would result in less casualties during protests? Or if they show up against government with their hand guns and few rifles it somehow will make government with tanks and army to surrender? I have hard time understanding reason for your post and reference to 2d amendment, really whats your point?

 

[moevillini]

not really gonna argue with you guys about this!

fine by me

 

[DutchJazzer]

Are you saying that if Venezuelans would have unlimited access to guns it would result in less casualties during protests?

no but so far all casualties are on the side of the civilians and not on the side of the government!

Or if they show up against government with their hand guns and few rifles it somehow will make government with tanks and army to surrender?

ar-15's could and the will to fight for your liberty goes a long in a guerilla kinda warfare and overthrow the government!

government cant just use their tanks, and their are ways to take out a tank in urban guerilla warfare. basically fighting ones own populace takes tanks and planes out of the equation!

I have hard time understanding reason for your post and reference to 2d amendment, really whats your point?

well according to some people, the 2nd amendment is a check on tyranny, of course the battle is already lost, once you give up your guns because by the time you freely give up your guns, you don't have the fight for liberty mentality!



so my question is if guns and fighting the government are out of the question, what do you propose the people without a 2nd amendment do, just protest for all eternity, until people don't have the energy to protest anymore, meanwhile for now 1 casualty a day(but seems the casualties per day is rising).


so what is the solution of people who don't think the 2nd amendment is a safeguard against tyranny. but just for hunting and defense against non government evils!


i mean how do you force the "tyrannical" Venezuelan government to step down!
my solution is with guns and the mentality to not give an inch of your liberty. but that's been out of the question!


HOW Do the venezuelan people solve this problem?

 

[DutchJazzer]

fine by me

but as i stated i wanna know what your solution is, i wanna learn from these people how to solve this problem!

seiously not trolling, i don't really care anymore about Venezuelan people, a few people i know already fled the country!
but i do care about solving such a problem in general!

so what is your solution!

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Looks like Dutch wants some Boko Haram style citizenry.

 

[MVP]

HOW Do the venezuelan people solve this problem?

Why do you think protesters represent all Venezuelan people? As far as I understand there is still quite significant support for Maduro and his government. Opposition and protesters should do what all parties and protesters do - protest peacefully and wait for elections. If majority of Venezuelan people vote for change in new elections - there is your solution for the problem.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Looks like Dutch wants some Boko Haram style citizenry.

it could go that way yes, but it also could go 1776 way, and a new glorious republic!

 

[DutchJazzer]

Why do you think protesters represent all Venezuelan people? As far as I understand there is still quite significant support for Maduro and his government. Opposition and protesters should do what all parties and protesters do - protest peacefully and wait for elections. If majority of Venezuelan people vote for change in new elections - there is your solution for the problem.

you could say that, only 250.000 citizens are allowed to own a gun of the 31.11 million people! because they are loyal to the government and rich! so yeah he does have some support

and you say wait for elections, don't know how closely you been following it! but the people did all they could to depose maduro in 2015, the opposition party gained enough in the parliament to depose Maduro, they followed protocol by getting signatures etc etc.

at every turn maduro blocked all legal ways to get rid of em. they tried everything, and if you think next year he will go peacefully!

basically he is dug in, and they did all "legal" stuff to depose him over the last 3 yers. yet he used shady illegal stuff to stay in power.

so next election nothing will change.

i am pretty sure of that. but you are saying stop protesting sit back and wait and see what happens next election. how many eleciotns should they wait? should they just starve and become like north Korea?

 

[Boris]

Why do you think protesters represent all Venezuelan people? As far as I understand there is still quite significant support for Maduro and his government. Opposition and protesters should do what all parties and protesters do - protest peacefully and wait for elections. If majority of Venezuelan people vote for change in new elections - there is your solution for the problem.

This is working beautifully for the starving women an children of North Korea. Wait it out an vote aleways works for the starving.

 

[fishonjazz]

 

[The Thriller]

Wow awesome thread

 

[DutchJazzer]

Wow awesome thread

wow awesome post!



look it is a serious reasonable discussion!

if the 2nd amendement is also to prevent/kstop tyranical governmemnts. the gun control/ban advocates mus thave a solution for stuff like venezuela. where it seems like maduro will stay in power forever, and they are protesting him dying daily!


look i know if people have guns it can go from either be turrible like boko harram or into something nice like 1776 depending on the culture/ideals of the people wielding them!

so if you want peole to give up their guns,, you better have a solution for the reasons why they have guns

right?


just wanna see it from the other side

 

[DutchJazzer]

also we should have this conversation, just not when their recently has been a school shooting.

now that their are not really school shootings, emotions are neutral about it! so please enlighten me, now that we don't have to dance on death children graves!

seems we only have these conversation when their is a mass shooting

 

[The Thriller]

wow awesome post!



look it is a serious reasonable discussion!

if the 2nd amendement is also to prevent/kstop tyranical governmemnts. the gun control/ban advocates mus thave a solution for stuff like venezuela. where it seems like maduro will stay in power forever, and they are protesting him dying daily!


look i know if people have guns it can go from either be turrible like boko harram or into something nice like 1776 depending on the culture/ideals of the people wielding them!

so if you want peole to give up their guns,, you better have a solution for the reasons why they have guns

right?


just wanna see it from the other side

In a thread of 14 posts, 7 of them are from you, 3 of them disparage the thread, and 1 is a crap emoticon. Just who exactly are you having a discussion with???

 

[DutchJazzer]

In a thread of 14 posts, 7 of them are from you, 3 of them disparage the thread, and 1 is a crap emoticon. Just who exactly are you having a discussion with???

so we should just give up our guns and hope tyranny never comes!


GOOD!

 

[moevillini]

not really gonna argue with you guys about this!

no, you're not, not really

 

[DutchJazzer]

no, you're not, not really

where is your solution. asking questions for solutions please supply me a solution!

 

[moevillini]

where is your solution. asking questions for solutions please supply me a solution!

A solution to what? Define the problem please.

 

[DutchJazzer]

A solution to what? Define the problem please.

venezuela where tyrany taken hold. but only the government has guns and kills about 1 person a day and rising!?



but yeah just what i thought people want guns to be heavily restricted or banned! and they have no solution for when tyranny takes hold