An Alleged 1953 UFO Crash and Burial Near Garrison, Utah

[Red]

I just watched the second episode. I'm surprised you didn't find it at least interesting. They're clearly seeing all sorts of weird ****. There's gotta be radiation or magnetic fields there.

I'm gonna watch the third. This is much better than Oak Island.

Well, in part, I’m probably just sick of the reality tv formula. Yeah, I mostly read, and just had it on as background. I was surprised that I did not pay closer attention, because both my wife and I were looking forward to it. I’ll watch again, next Tuesday. It’s just that when they sit around at the table, jawing, it always feels scripted to me. I’ll watch again, though.

I’m not sure what magnetic anomalies signify, really. I’ll give it another shot, the owner seems serious about it.

I don’t expect the History channel is serious about anything other than how are the ratings. I actually came to resent their Ancient Alien series. History was my area of study, and I just laugh at the incredible stretches and misinterpretations made in that show. You know I have a life long interest in ufos, but the talking heads on Ancient Aliens basically deny past human cultures could accomplish anything without alien intervention.

So, that’s another factor for me, as a student of history I resent how the History network is willing to butcher the past in the interest of their alternative history. So, maybe that’s a bit of bias against the network on my part. I’ve come to expect fluff over substance. Again, I’ll watch next Tuesday.

 

[Archie Moses]

Well, in part, I’m probably just sick of the reality tv formula. Yeah, I mostly read, and just had it on as background. I was surprised that I did not pay closer attention, because both my wife and I were looking forward to it. I’ll watch again, next Tuesday. It’s just that when they sit around at the table, jawing, it always feels scripted to me. I’ll watch again, though.

I’m not sure what magnetic anomalies signify, really. I’ll give it another shot, the owner seems serious about it.

I don’t expect the History channel is serious about anything other than how are the ratings. I actually came to resent their Ancient Alien series. History was my area of study, and I just laugh at the incredible stretches and misinterpretations made in that show. You know I have a life long interest in ufos, but the talking heads on Ancient Aliens basically deny past human cultures could accomplish anything without alien intervention.

So, that’s another factor for me, as a student of history I resent how the History network is willing to butcher the past in the interest of their alternative history. So, maybe that’s a bit of bias against the network on my part. I’ve come to expect fluff over substance. Again, I’ll watch next Tuesday.

Ancient Aliens, to me, is 90% fools gold and 10% gold. I agree with your post and how they misinterpret history or deny past culture's ability in engineering and technology.

I find myself pausing it all the time while I read about what they're talking about (usually wiki pages) and look at the place on Google Earth. I love history and while the show doesn't teach it that well, you can still learn about a lot of new things you never knew about - at least for me.

I like the narrator's voice too.

 

[babe]

Occam's razor

Occam's Razor, logically, is nonsense. It assumes we have all the possibilities, and that our notions of simplicity are ultimately beyond contest.

I like casting a wide net, perhaps over and over again, in hopes of finding something new.

Besides, Brigham Young did a damn good job explaining the origins of life on earth, and the full nature of the universe, in saying that the Biblical creation story is a metaphorical account, and that Adam and Eve (and others) were brought here from another planet. Obviously, if there are zillions of life-sustaining planets in the Universe that have been there since forever, the occasional interstellar mission might need to land on earth, hopefully safely.

However, I've been to site where this landing alledgedly took place, checked out all the details of the claims, and I think this yarn was spun by a local rancher with more time, and cows, on his hand than his wife could manage.

I think he's the same man who was struck by lightning, that came in through his bathroom window, and jolted him in his tub.

Might be some cognitive dissonance in that skull somewhere.

 

[Red]

Ancient Aliens, to me, is 90% fools gold and 10% gold. I agree with your post and how they misinterpret history or deny past culture's ability in engineering and technology.

I find myself pausing it all the time while I read about what they're talking about (usually wiki pages) and look at the place on Google Earth. I love history and while the show doesn't teach it that well, you can still learn about a lot of new things you never knew about - at least for me.

I like the narrator's voice too.

I’ve always genuinely enjoyed seeing the many archaeological sites they visit. That’s always been my favorite part of the show, while I ignore their interpretations. Also, I have noticed that some of the most recent episodes have focused on today’s events, stemming from the videos To the Stars Academy released, etc. I have enjoyed that most recent focus, though I usually just run across them while channel surfing. But the recent revelations have been the most interesting development in ufology in a long time. Still not completely trusting of To the Stars Academy, and it’s motives, but this field has always lent itself to distrust of sources.

 

[Archie Moses]

I’ve always genuinely enjoyed seeing the many archaeological sites they visit. That’s always been my favorite part of the show, while I ignore their interpretations. Also, I have noticed that some of the most recent episodes have focused on today’s events, stemming from the videos To the Stars Academy released, etc. I have enjoyed that most recent focus, though I usually just run across them while channel surfing. But the recent revelations have been the most interesting development in ufology in a long time. Still not completely trusting of To the Stars Academy, and it’s motives, but this field has always lent itself to distrust of sources.

I haven't seen any of the ones that talk about the Stars Academy so I'm going to have to watch them.

The show will start talking about something like Turkey's underground city Derinkuyu and it's absolutely fascinating to see how they lived. But when they try and tie it in with aliens I'm like, yeah that's dumb but keep showing me more footage of their living spaces.

Although, there are scientific theories as to what actually happened, I enjoy learning about more debatable things like the 1561 Celestial Phenomena that was recorded in a paper. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561_celestial_phenomenon_over_Nuremberg That's pretty cool to me and I never heard of it.

The episode on Joseph Smith is laughable up until they start talking about Native Americans and star people.

 

[Red]

I haven't seen any of the ones that talk about the Stars Academy so I'm going to have to watch them.

The show will start talking about something like Turkey's underground city Derinkuyu and it's absolutely fascinating to see how they lived. But when they try and tie it in with aliens I'm like, yeah that's dumb but keep showing me more footage of their living spaces.

Although, there are scientific theories as to what actually happened, I enjoy learning about more debatable things like the 1561 Celestial Phenomena that was recorded in a paper. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561_celestial_phenomenon_over_Nuremberg That's pretty cool to me and I never heard of it.

The episode on Joseph Smith is laughable up until they start talking about Native Americans and star people.

It's engineering feats like this, the Pre-Incan walls at Sacsayhuman, Peru, which a show like Ancient Aliens will use in order to speak of ancient help from the stars, that nonetheless simply blows me away. I am in total wonder at the mass involved, in total awe of how the blocks are cut and fit in this fashion with stone tools. Wow. I understand that this type of construction makes such walls more earthquake resistant in an earthquake region, so there is a practical reason, but it's the feat behind this result that baffles me and blows me away. And the show does take you to places where it does become fair, and natural, to say "OMG, how did they do this?"

 

[Archie Moses]

 

[LogGrad98]

To me these are the most convincing of all the evidence that has ever been presented for something resembling UFOs.

 

[Archie Moses]

To me these are the most convincing of all the evidence that has ever been presented for something resembling UFOs.

There's not a lot of media coverage on it even though the videos are old.

To me, it's another thing that the crazy dude Bob Lazar has said coming to fruition. UFOs, the ones he says he reversed engineered, fly what he's called "belly up" for a long time.

Bob Lazar is an interesting fellow. If he didn't smear his credibility with sex parties (or whatever it was) he'd be very convincing. Lots of people have called him a liar or laugh at what he's said, but you can't deny the guy has proven many wrong.

I want to believe him, but need more evidence.

 

[Archie Moses]

I'm surprised at how much people are willing to brush this aside.
There are thousands of UFO sightings every year - I'm not saying they're all extraterrestrials. What I'm saying is if you start doing research from, let's say 1561 Nuremberg, to many astronauts eye witness accounts, to respected high ranking military officials, to presidents, and to the Stars Academy, you'll understand that unidentified doesn't mean something along the lines as a bigfoot sighting. Haha

What the Pentagon released says they have no idea what the eff it is. You know why? Because nothing known, that's man made, can do what is observed in those videos.

What do people think are in the videos? Russian or Chinese aerial drones/crafts?

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm surprised at how much people are willing to brush this aside.
There are thousands of UFO sightings every year - I'm not saying they're all extraterrestrials. What I'm saying is if you start doing research from, let's say 1561 Nuremberg, to many astronauts eye witness accounts, to respected high ranking military officials, to presidents, and to the Stars Academy, you'll understand that unidentified doesn't mean something along the lines as a bigfoot sighting. Haha

What the Pentagon released says they have no idea what the eff it is. You know why? Because nothing known, that's man made, can do what is observed in those videos.

What do people think are in the videos? Russian or Chinese aerial drones/crafts?

What is the object "doing" in the video that nothing man made could do? To me it just looks like it's flying around.

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[Gameface]

What is the object "doing" in the video that nothing man made could do? To me it just looks like it's flying around.

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That's kind of my thing here. There's a lot of room for perspective and such to affect how you perceive the motion of the object.

Plus me responding here gives me one extra chance to mention that I was on the ship the jets that took this video launched from. It absolutely did cause a stir on the ship that even reached the lowly likes of yours truly. This was a topic of conversation on the ship for a short time. One thing that strikes me about that is simply that there was no real chance for a "cover up" of this as a good 4000 people knew about this before there was any chance of filtering it. It's one experience in my life that makes me VERY skeptical of these grand conspiracies that require people like me when I was on that ship to be complicit in and dedicated to. Nothing would be able to motivate me to hide this if it was being covered up as part of some grand conspiracy. All that said, this video is as convincing for me as anything and yet I'm not convinced.