And Jesus Said Unto Them, "And Whom Do You Say That I Am?"
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If God actaully doesn't exist does that mean right and wrong do not and have not existed either?
Stifle Tower
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The populace or those in charge (until they are overthrown).
Killing is wrong, except in societies when it is done to uphold one's honor. Thou shalt not kill, unless God commands you to slay an entire civilization and take over their lands for your inheritance (OT). Society evolves and changes and so do the once absolute laws that govern that society.
Are you reading the same board as the rest of us? ;-)
For what it's worth, one of the things I like most about LDS theology is that it teaches that all people receive a chance to accept Christ in the hereafter. Therefore we don't teach that Jews/Muslims/Atheists/nonLDS Christians/etc who don't convert in this lifetime are damned. Also, we view a major purpose of this life to be trying to become the best person you possibly can (very much like what Dalamon was saying about the reason he's a Muslim).
See here for the view from one of the current LDS leaders, one of our "12 apostles". https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2000/10/the-challenge-to-become?lang=eng. Here's the first bit.
Dallin Oaks said:
Powshredder
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"Man is an intellectual giant but a moral dwarf." - Idjave Edewor
You are raised to adapt to your parents moral belief's, but as your brain develops and you grow older you instinctively begin to form a Moral commitment as from the development of a self-identity that is defined by moral purposes: this moral self-identity leads to a sense of responsibility to pursue such purposes. It can be argue'd for ages whether multiple moral beliefs have become a proof of righteousness or an inducement to evil. What is interesting, is that the English language, over the centuries; has a remarkable rise of the word right, in its many interrelated senses and uses that the use of `right' and `wrong' as parallel concepts (and opposites); and that the use of right as an adjective increased enormously in relation to the use of true. The word "TRUE" is conceived through FACT or REALITY. The word "RIGHT" is conceived through a moral perspective to be an acceptable exploit. THIS is my biggest issue with religious people.(And,yes, i do believe in god)
You are raised to adapt to your parents moral belief's, but as your brain develops and you grow older you instinctively begin to form a Moral commitment as from the development of a self-identity that is defined by moral purposes: this moral self-identity leads to a sense of responsibility to pursue such purposes. It can be argue'd for ages whether multiple moral beliefs have become a proof of righteousness or an inducement to evil. What is interesting, is that the English language, over the centuries; has a remarkable rise of the word right, in its many interrelated senses and uses that the use of `right' and `wrong' as parallel concepts (and opposites); and that the use of right as an adjective increased enormously in relation to the use of true. The word "TRUE" is conceived through FACT or REALITY. The word "RIGHT" is conceived through a moral perspective to be an acceptable exploit. THIS is my biggest issue with religious people.(And,yes, i do believe in god)
PearlWatson
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So the minority(tyrant in charge) or the majority decides what is right and wrong?
PearlWatson
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"Once man's connection to the divine is denied, you can reason yourself from here to anywhere."
Have you paid attention to history at all?
Society determines what is and isn't acceptable. Religion plays a large role in this. What is acceptable in Utah is not acceptable in NJ. For even greater contrast, what is acceptable in the Middle East is not acceptable in the US. Unfortunately we in the US seem to think that if we find behaviors, laws and customs unacceptable elsewhere it is our duty to change these other countries to our ways.
A connection to the fantasy of a devine being? That's what I'm talking about. Being an atheist doesn't make God go away if he's real and having faith doesn't make God exist if he isn't real.
Xsy
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I know the LDS faith is wrong because the Jazz still haven't won a chip.
Boston is truly God's city.
PearlWatson
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That's precisely the reason. The spirits who wish to accept Christ must still make a covenant with him through baptism. And since it's impossible for a spirit to be baptized, we are baptized by proxy for those who have passed on--typically our ancestors. And since right now we have no way of telling which of our ancestors actually wish to make this covenant, we do proxy baptisms for ALL of them. Or at least all that we can identify. (Presumably during the Millennium the connection between this world and the spirit world will be more evident, so we will be able to focus on those specifically who desire the proxy baptisms.)
PearlWatson
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This conclusion comes from reason:
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php...an-An-Abortion&p=266106&viewfull=1#post266106
To follow up on the original post--I think just about all LDSers would agree with you and would appreciate the humor. Since there we have no paid clergy, we have essentially no theologians. And we would go with the much simpler answer that Peter gave in Matt 16, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."