And Jesus Said Unto Them, "And Whom Do You Say That I Am?"

[franklin]

In my opinion there is no backbone at all.
This website, while interesting, is comparing the Book of Mormon which has had only spelling and grammar changes made to it to the Bible which has been written, copied, translated, copied some more, and after many stages of this we are digging into whatever copies we have available and using that as the standard for how The Book of Mormon should be?
Apples to Oranges here, but yes it is interesting and fun to look at.

I think Hantler's is asking why translation errors in the KJV also made there way into the BofM. I don't find that troublesome at all as the passages in question were translated to meet the known scripture of the day. The belief in modern interpretation takes care of the errors, just as the Catholics now update their bible to reflect the most up-to-date corrections.

 

[PearlWatson]

My argument is that first off there is no God, so no divine being established universal morality. Yet, you believe in a certain and undeniable moral code. So, where did that moral code come from?[/B] It came from humans and is based on reason. That's the only place it has ever come from and the only place it can come from. God did not stop us from living by the law of the jungle, we decided we liked it better being "civilized" and abiding by a common notion of morality.

When we discuss moral principles we do not just say "God said so" even though theists acknowledge that they cannot know the mind of God. So why don't we just say that we do what God says no matter what? Because we are rational, intelligent beings who interact with our world primarily through our mind. It is the human mind that shaped your reality...even the idea that a supreme being, the father of all fathers, exists. You moral code is glorious...and is the product of simple human thought.

I'm sure you're aware that modern Christians ignore, completely ignore and disregard moral concepts that were held near and dear to your faith as the word of God only a very short time ago. Why? Because the **** didn't make sense so it was rejected. Humans don't engage in nonsense, especially nonsense that isn't useful to our rational desires.

That bolded thought was pretty amusing.

Where did "our common notion of morality" come from? The majority of America has Judeo/Christian morals. Originating from the written moral code of the ten commandments, the NT and such as.

Of course there are all kinds of other ethics people draw from. Some more dangerously "reasoned" than others.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

I like the book of Mormon more. It has a masterpiece of a verse 2 Nephri 5:21

"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."

I also do like the Bible with my favorite verse Ezekiel 23:20
"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses"

Also Qur'an 5:31

"...whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind... "

 

[Hantlers]

I think Hantler's is asking why translation errors in the KJV also made there way into the BofM. I don't find that troublesome at all as the passages in question were translated to meet the known scripture of the day. The belief in modern interpretation takes care of the errors, just as the Catholics now update their bible to reflect the most up-to-date corrections.

That is what I meant. Sorry if I worded it poorly.

Anyways, thanks to Franklin and especially to Spazz for answering my questions. Much appreciated. Both of you will be repped accordingly.

 

[TroutBum]

I prefer the Bible for the same reason I enjoy The Silmarillion, LOTR, etc. It is entertaining, thought provoking, and very much fictional. I've never read the BoM, so I can't say too much other than I've attempted to read it probably a dozen times in my life -- I just can't stand it. /shrug

 

[GVC]

I prefer the Bible for the same reason I enjoy The Silmarillion, LOTR, etc. It is entertaining, thought provoking, and very much fictional. I've never read the BoM, so I can't say too much other than I've attempted to read it probably a dozen times in my life -- I just can't stand it. /shrug

wtf?

 

[PearlWatson]

I like the book of Mormon more. It has a masterpiece of a verse 2 Nephri 5:21

"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."

I also do like the Bible with my favorite verse Ezekiel 23:20
"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses"

Also Qur'an 5:31

"...whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind... "

I like Ecclesiastes 10:2

“The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

 

[TroutBum]

I like Ecclesiastes 10:2

“The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

I like TroutBum, 69:96

"And so it came to pass, a loathsome Scourge was set upon the board, and the masses did wail, and did gnash their teeth, and did pound their chests. And behold the Scourge was liken unto foulest of Gordon's creations. Undesirable, uncouth, and blacker than the darkest beasts of the Earth, even unto the dark places of the Earth where the light of day cannot penetrate. And lo, the Scourge hath many faces and doth travel and speak with the voice and tongues of many people. And the Scourge did harken to the Moderating staff, and thus, being feeble minded, they were deceived."

I hope Gordon decides to translate your *** straight to the pits of Na'ar, Slopper. He sees you for what you are.

 

[PearlWatson]

I like TroutBum, 69:96

"And so it came to pass, a loathsome Scourge was set upon the board, and the masses did wail, and did gnash their teeth, and did pound their chests. And behold the Scourge was liken unto foulest of Gordon's creations. Undesirable, uncouth, and blacker than the darkest beasts of the Earth, even unto the dark places of the Earth where the light of day cannot penetrate. And lo, the Scourge hath many faces and doth travel and speak with the voice and tongues of many people. And the Scourge did harken to the Moderating staff, and thus, being feeble minded, they were deceived."

I hope Gordon decides to translate your *** straight to the pits of Na'ar, Slopper. He sees you for what you are.

LOL!

I kinda like that part.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

I prefer the Bible for the same reason I enjoy The Silmarillion, LOTR, etc. It is entertaining, thought provoking, and very much fictional. I've never read the BoM, so I can't say too much other than I've attempted to read it probably a dozen times in my life -- I just can't stand it. /shrug

Wow... I always thought you were a Mormon, your an atheist?

 

[babe]

Wow... I always thought you were a Mormon, your an atheist?

Trout in many ways is an ordinary Mormon, much like a lot of Catholics are ordinary Catholics and followers of other faiths are ordinary in their pursuits of them. Pretty much more concerned with present realities including the cultural context which is shaped by a prevailing belief system of any sort. Takes people, and life, for what they appear to be. . . . well, except for having a few persistent errors of reason, like seeing Hopper behind every other shrub. All that is probably more or less OK with God, who more or less expects it to run that way, given we are what we are.


I think the OP was pretty lame, and demonstrated profound lack of understanding for the scripture it was based on, and yet was still grandly funny and effective at poking fun at us, people in general, as well as the more intellectually-pretentious among us.

I'd go on a complete doctoral dissertation on Nietzche, Dostoyevsky, and many others who have tried, vainly, to capture the elixir of understanding and distill it into something than can be injected into the masses of mankind, but I know it's useless.

 

[babe]

I like the book of Mormon more. It has a masterpiece of a verse 2 Nephri 5:21

"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."

I also do like the Bible with my favorite verse Ezekiel 23:20
"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses"

Also Qur'an 5:31

"...whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind... "

So the Qur'an borrowed a saying from the Talmud. Great.

In one of the last scenes in the film, as Schindler prepares to flee from the Allies, the Jews who have been saved give him a gold ring engraved with a quotation from their sacred Talmud—"Whoever saves one life saves the world entire.” They wanted Schindler to know that by saving them, he had saved humanity.

https://www.cwla.org.au/articles/whoever-saves-one-life-saves-the-world-entire.html