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Any free agents still available that would make a difference now??

TheSilencer1313

TheSilencer1313

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I'm wondering if anybody knows of any current free agents that would actually make a difference for the Jazz this season.
With the team now under the salary cap.... and with their bad injury history, I would look at picking someone else up.
Of course we all know of Kirilenko.
Anyone else?

Discuss....
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
With the team now under the salary cap....
Discuss....
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We're not under the salary cap, so there isn't much to discuss when it comes to signing free agents. We can only re-sign our own free agents, which means AK, Elson, or Fes. AK wants too much, Elson and Fes produce so little.
 
Mantis said:
We're not under the salary cap, so there isn't much to discuss when it comes to signing free agents. We can only re-sign our own free agents, which means AK, Elson, or Fes. AK wants too much, Elson and Fes produce so little.
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The Memo trade put the Jazz under the salary cap...
 
The only reliable site I found with full salary information for the Jazz was realgm.com (from their trade checker). Adding up the Jazz salary ratio and multiplying by 14/51.1 (that is, Jefferson's actual salary divided by his realgm salary ratio), the Jazz total salary comes in at about $57.6million. The cap this year is the same as last year, $58.04million. Not really much space there to sign anyone (without using the $3million tax payer MLE). Was Josh Howard signed using the MLE (seems that must be the case)? If so, the Jazz don't have any space to sign anyone except those willing to sign for league minimum contracts.
 
GVC said:
The only reliable site I found with full salary information for the Jazz was realgm.com (from their trade checker). Adding up the Jazz salary ratio and multiplying by 14/51.1 (that is, Jefferson's actual salary divided by his realgm salary ratio), the Jazz total salary comes in at about $57.6million. The cap this year is the same as last year, $58.04million. Not really much space there to sign anyone (without using the $3million tax payer MLE). Was Josh Howard signed using the MLE (seems that must be the case)? If so, the Jazz don't have any space to sign anyone except those willing to sign for league minimum contracts.
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Well, and also there's this. It's from the last CBA, but I'm sure the rules are similar. It makes me wonder if we'll actually be able to use the TPE next year like I thought we would.

If a team is below the cap, then their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. This is to prevent a loophole, in a manner similar to free agent amounts (see question numbers 30, 31, 32, 33). A team can't act like they're under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to their team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. There would be no point in doing so, since there is no cap room for signing free agents.

So being under the cap does not necessarily mean a team has room to sign free agents.
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https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap.htm
 
Ya, there's that. Either way, the Jazz don't have any cap space to sign free agents.
 
freakazoid said:
Well, and also there's this. It's from the last CBA, but I'm sure the rules are similar. It makes me wonder if we'll actually be able to use the TPE next year like I thought we would.

https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap.htm
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I think that's talking about cap holds. To give an example, if the Jazz were under the cap this year then a certain value for resigning AK would be added to existing payroll for cap purposes. That way, the Jazz could not sign someone in free agency and then use bird rights to resign AK. They would have had to renounce the rights to AK before using that money.

If TPE's have a cap hold associated then the Jazz won't be able to sign a free agent and then use the TPE in addition.
 
franklin said:
If TPE's have a cap hold associated then the Jazz won't be able to sign a free agent and then use the TPE in addition.
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Yeah, that's my concern right now. The fact that it's good for one year is misleading if it counts against the cap. If that's the case, I'm guessing Utah will use it by the deadline to take someone else's unwanted trash and pick up another pick in the process. I doubt they will add salary that doesn't expire this year.

I'm not sure whether that's the case or not. There's some other language that makes me wonder about this.

Also be aware that while the term "Traded Player exception" refers to the entire exception which allows teams to make trades above the salary cap (including simultaneous trades, non-simultaneous trades, and base year compensation), it is also commonly used to refer to the one-year monetary credit teams receive while a non-simultaneous trade is pending completion. Be aware of this potential ambiguity, which was made worse by the current CBA (earlier CBAs used the term "Assigned Player exception" to refer to the entire exception).
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I'm really not sure what to think about this right now.
 
In my opinion, our current collection of players is perfect. Burks, Hayward, Favors and Kanter as the young guys to get plenty of minutes at the 2-5. Bell, Miles, Howard, Millsap, Jefferson as the vets to get many minutes at the 2-5. A trio of point guards. Evans to get some spot minutes. I say save the money, develop our young guys, see what we have in our vets, and perhaps make a trade down the line. Signing another "quality" guy right now would just eat up some solid minutes for a couple of current guys on the roster and that wouldn't be the wise move in my opinion as it's not going to be a big upgrade or put us over the top or anything, and instead it would eat up time these guys need to like I said, let them develop or see what we have.
 
I'm hoping they can make a similar kind of move that they did with the Boozer sign and trade last summer that brought Al Jefferson here.

Using that TPE for anything else would be worthless in my opinion.
 
JAZZGASM said:
The Memo trade put the Jazz under the salary cap...
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No it didn't. Exceptions of all types are called that because they are exceptions to the rule that teams must stay below the salary cap. Any exceptions that a team has - such as the mid-level, Bird rights, and trade exceptions - are added to actual salary to determine whether or not a team is over the cap. If this total is less than the salary cap, the exceptions all go away (the fact we got a TPE for Memo is proof we are over the cap), and the team has cap room to sign free agents or to take traded players in without sending back salary. If not, the team is over the cap and can't sign free agents without using one of their exceptions. Since we already used one of these exceptions to sign Josh Howard, we can only sign our own FAs (using the Bird Rights exception), or sign players to minimum salary (another exception).
 
Mantis said:
No it didn't. Exceptions of all types are called that because they are exceptions to the rule that teams must stay below the salary cap. Any exceptions that a team has - such as the mid-level, Bird rights, and trade exceptions - are added to actual salary to determine whether or not a team is over the cap. If this total is less than the salary cap, the exceptions all go away (the fact we got a TPE for Memo is proof we are over the cap), and the team has cap room to sign free agents or to take traded players in without sending back salary. If not, the team is over the cap and can't sign free agents without using one of their exceptions. Since we already used one of these exceptions to sign Josh Howard, we can only sign our own FAs (using the Bird Rights exception), or sign players to minimum salary (another exception).
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Thanks for helping clear that up.

So that means holding on to it until next season would defeat the purpose. That's good news for impatient Jazz fans who want to see something happen sooner rather than later. I'm still betting Utah will use this to take on an unwanted player, and in the process pick up another asset.
 
freakazoid said:
So that means holding on to it until next season would defeat the purpose. That's good news for impatient Jazz fans who want to see something happen sooner rather than later. I'm still betting Utah will use this to take on an unwanted player, and in the process pick up another asset.
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I'm not so sure they'll be any better off waiting for free agency. Hoops Hype has them at $48.2mm this offseason, without CJ's cap hold, which I believe will be more than his current salary. 125% or 150% comes to mind but I'm not sure the exact amount. Jeremy Evans is excluded, so add a million and a half or so depending on the season. Earl Watson's 2nd year is not included and I believe they'll have rights to Josh Howard as well. Even if they renounce every one of these (except Watson), they'll only have, what, roughly $10mm to sign free agents with?

The TPE is $10,890,000 + 100,000, so let's call it $11mm. Adding trade flexibility probably makes it a skosh more useful than free agency.
 
franklin said:
I'm not so sure they'll be any better off waiting for free agency. Hoops Hype has them at $48.2mm this offseason, without CJ's cap hold, which I believe will be more than his current salary. 125% or 150% comes to mind but I'm not sure the exact amount. Jeremy Evans is excluded, so add a million and a half or so depending on the season. Earl Watson's 2nd year is not included and I believe they'll have rights to Josh Howard as well. Even if they renounce every one of these (except Watson), they'll only have, what, roughly $10mm to sign free agents with?

The TPE is $10,890,000 + 100,000, so let's call it $11mm. Adding trade flexibility probably makes it a skosh more useful than free agency.
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Hoopshype shows what Millsap makes this year, not his actual cap hit. Since the contract was front loaded, they took the salary he would have been earning this year and paid it up from. His cap hit is roughly 8.6 million, and Hoopsype only has him at 7.2 million, so you need to add 1.4 million to hoophype's figure, so 49.6 million. Have to add whatever Watson will be making, as well. Cap will be, what, 60 million or so?

Can't find any info on what Watson will be getting. Only number I saw for Howard wat 1yr/3M.
 
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