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Are the Jazz going to trade Rudy?

KqWIN said:
We beat OKC for a lot of reasons. Rudy was the best player in that series. Donovan played well and had some huge games, but that was a defensive series anchored by Gobert.

It is true that Rudy is the entire defense, specifically on defense. But even if we switch schemes, it doesn't mean we'll be good defensively. The Jazz would be a terrible defensive team regardless of what system they play without Rudy.
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First paragraph: you're a moron if you actually believe that. Some could argue Favors was as important as Rudy in that OKC series. Nobody as important as Don.

I never said we would be as good defensively without Rudy. I said we could find a way to win as much without Rudy. We would have to do it in a different way.

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LoPo said:
First paragraph: you're a moron if you actually believe that. Some could argue Favors was as important as Rudy in that OKC series. Nobody as important as Don.

I never said we would be as good defensively without Rudy. I said we could find a way to win as much without Rudy. We would have to do it in a different way.

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I could see how you might say Mitchell was the most valuable because the Jazz didn't have another scorer at that time, but it's clear to me that Rudy was the best player in that series. That series was won on the defensive end and as we've said several times now, Rudy is the entire defensive system.

I don't care how we in, but you do have to find a way to win more than you can without Rudy. How do we do that? That is the point....by keeping spare pieces like Jordan Clarkson instead? There are only 10-15 players better in the league than Rudy. It's much easier said than done.
 
KqWIN said:
I could see how you might say Mitchell was the most valuable because the Jazz didn't have another scorer at that time, but it's clear to me that Rudy was the best player in that series. That series was won on the defensive end and as we've said several times now, Rudy is the entire defensive system.

I don't care how we in, but you do have to find a way to win more than you can without Rudy. How do we do that? That is the point....by keeping spare pieces like Jordan Clarkson instead? There are only 10-15 players better in the league than Rudy. It's much easier said than done.
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You aren't comprehending my point. It's not about Clarkson. Its about the next Favors, Clarkson, whoever to add to the roster we have thats lacking. Paying Rudy $10 more than fair costs us future depth.

As for OKC, Rudy went toe to toe with Adams. He lost as many battles as he won.

Don and Rubio outplayed PG and Westbrook. Don was the best player in the series by a bit.


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LoPo said:
You aren't comprehending my point. It's not about Clarkson. Its about the next Favors, Clarkson, whoever to add to the roster we have thats lacking. Paying Rudy $10 more than fair costs us future depth.

As for OKC, Rudy went toe to toe with Adams. He lost as many battles as he won.

Don and Rubio outplayed PG and Westbrook. Don was the best player in the series by a bit.


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You're smart enough to know that basketball is a 5v5 game, and not a series of 1v1 matchups. Gobert is not the best defender in the league because of his matchup with the other C. That's not what makes him "the entire system". If you honestly think that looking across the matchups like that is the correct way to evaluate the game...I have nothing for you.

Without Rudy, we don't have Rudy. That's the difference you have to make up when you lose Rudy. If you have to off someone because Rudy is overpaid, that reality is better than letting Rudy walk or trading him for pennies. Whatever you get for Rudy in trade is not going to provide more value than Rudy without the spare parts you can't have.

So as painful as it is that we might not be able to sign a quality bench guy or two later on, it is significantly worse to not have Rudy Gobert. It's not a good thing to give Gobert the supermax. But it's also not a good thing to lose him for nothing or trade him for pennies. If you can put together a scenario where losing him for nothing or trading him for pennies makes us a better team, I'm all ears. But simply saying that supermaxing is bad does not contribute to the discussion.
 
KqWIN said:
Rudy is the best player on the team by a mile. Without him, we don’t even make the playoffs. He was the best player in the OKC series, and if Donovan or anyone else could throw the ball in the ocean the Jazz would have won both series against HOU.

John Wall tore his ACL and Achilles. That is a drastic situation, and you still can’t say the alternative of letting him leave is better.

Blake Griffin yielded great value in trade and built they foundation for what they have now.

Steph Curry is Steph Curry. You really think GSW is mad about having Steph Curry and would rather trade him instead? Ridiculous. He could be the worst player in the league for his last season. It doesn’t matter because you got to have Steph Curry on your team for for years.

You have to take the emotional side out of it. It’s about the best path forward. If there is a decent trade package....sure. But there won’t be. I cannot fathom thinking Jordan Clarkson is so important that you lose Rudy over him.
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I think the Jazz should double super max Rudy... give him two supermax deals.
 
I think the question is certainly valid if Favors + Clarkson is > Gobert, because we’re allotting a combined average of about $23M/year on those two over the next few years. So if we don’t think Favors + Clarkson is > Gobert (I certainly don’t), then it creates a curious picture of why we would paint ourselves in a corner of where we would let Rudy walk because we’ve committed enough money to those two to push Rudy out.

I know there’s “big genius, grand scheming” type plans that people that high up get paid for, but I can’t help but think that we‘ve made some of these decisions in a vacuum.
 
infection said:
I think the question is certainly valid if Favors + Clarkson is > Gobert, because we’re allotting a combined average of about $23M/year on those two over the next few years. So if we don’t think Favors + Clarkson is > Gobert (I certainly don’t), then it creates a curious picture of why we would paint ourselves in a corner of where we would let Rudy walk because we’ve committed enough money to those two to push Rudy out.

I know there’s “big genius, grand scheming” type plans that people that high up get paid for, but I can’t help but think that we‘ve made some of these decisions in a vacuum.
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But wait until we connect all those vacuums... we gonna suck so hard.
 
infection said:
I think if we were serious about rim protection, we could have gotten better and cheaper rim protectors. Favors is infinitely better than what we saw last year, but Favors is a good rim guy. Someone like Ekpe is a great rim guy.
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Epke Udoh is not an NBA player. He was just about unplayable when on the Jazz, and is not in the NBA now. I simply do not get the love that he gets here. Favors IS an NBA player, a very good one that is both a better total defender than Epke and can actually handle a post pass or a pick and roll on offense.

But, I guess his book club was cool, though.
 
KqWIN said:
Rudy is the best player on the team by a mile. Without him, we don’t even make the playoffs. He was the best player in the OKC series, and if Donovan or anyone else could throw the ball in the ocean the Jazz would have won both series against HOU.

John Wall tore his ACL and Achilles. That is a drastic situation, and you still can’t say the alternative of letting him leave is better.

Blake Griffin yielded great value in trade and built they foundation for what they have now.

Steph Curry is Steph Curry. You really think GSW is mad about having Steph Curry and would rather trade him instead? Ridiculous. He could be the worst player in the league for his last season. It doesn’t matter because you got to have Steph Curry on your team for for years.

You have to take the emotional side out of it. It’s about the best path forward. If there is a decent trade package....sure. But there won’t be. I cannot fathom thinking Jordan Clarkson is so important that you lose Rudy over him.
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Rudy is -50 against Rockets 2 years ago... this year we had to lose many games not to face Houston..
 
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