At what point is it time to get concerned about Hayward?

[str8line]

Warriors only won the title because Lebron was without Love, and Irving. We have Gobert...Hayward is overrated lets use him to get us a potentially great player.

Trade a great player for a potentially great player? You are nuts. Hayward does so much on the court it's ridiculous. His shot will start falling and he will lead the Jazz to the second round of the playoffs this year.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Hayward is so overrated. I would rather have Hood and Burks in the lineup any day of the week. He lost the Detroit game with his poor free-throw shooting. I'm still waiting on him to do anything that blows my mind. He is a white CJ Miles. Heck CJ has turned out to be a better player then Hayward is too this point of his career.

But, let the love feast of Hayward continue....

U are forcing your troll-ness that could explain your serious slump.

@silesian

If you fail to see the connection - I'll break it down for you:

Who cares about middle of the pack offensive efficiency?? I certainly don't. That seems like a 'regular season stat' thru and thru.. Unless your on the extreme ends of the spectrum, It doesn't mean **** once you hit the playoffs, certainly not vs a team like the Warriors..


E.G. The Jazz had the 9th best offensive efficiency in the league in 2011-2012, then proceeded to score under 90 ppg in a 4 game sweep to the Spurs.. Haywards fingerprints were all over that too.. (Favors showed up to play that series though)..


Y'all seem to avoid talking about the playoffs and playoff scenarios quite a bit(yet I see constant hyper-critical complaints about the rookies).. As A Yankees fan, I think its hysterical.

I've learned its prudent not to just pay attention to your team, but the field -- and the Warriors are a pristine example, because you could argue they were the standard of excellence in the league wire-to-wire last season... Plus The Warriors team dynamic, is built to break the Jazz team dynamic, no?? quite easily IMO - Their an awful matchup for Utah in a 7 game series, even if they make a few upgrades...

.. Whats there to clarify ?? I'm surprised by these type of responses, are the Jazz an expansion team or something? It seems like y'all are downplaying the importance of the playoffs in this thread..(could that be results based?!?) --- I'm shocked at how wide-spread it is.

Y'all really need me to spoon feed you this simple logic, which I understood before turning 10... So be it

Paul George, in the biggest games in his career demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he can put a team on his back, and pushed the Heat to a game 7.. Hayward has nothing like that on his resume. He hasn't yet figured out how to win in the playoffs, or even shoot a decent %, he's just a good regular season player til proven otherwise... He's never demonstrated that type of poise, mettle or leadership in those extreme circumstances, In the one chance he had, to prove himself vs tested playoff competition(The Spurs) he couldn't have performed worse, he was totally stifled by the situation, while George rose to the occasion many times over in that run which solidified his status as effective "First option offense".

AB. Your missing the big picture. And only looking at the small picture. None of us expects the Jazz to make much noise in the playoffs assuming we make we even make it. Also the whole Playoff Hayward to the playoff PG comparison is extremely weak.

First, u can't compare future 2016 Hayward to 2012 Hayward. Second all players develop at their own pace. Just because it takes Hayward longer doesn't mean much. Plus PG played on better team.

Personally, I think by the time Utah is a contender Hayward won't even be the main focus in 3 years and the team will be much improved.

AB, u must look at the big picture. Big picture looks ever so bright. Don't discount the fact that we have other players rising up and I expect Hayward will be our jack of all trades player on this team while handing the #1 option on offense responsibility to others.

Stop just looking at this year alone.

Hayward is a badass.

Pretty much this

 

[Stoked]

lol at all the Hayward hate.

I'd say ya'll will see but you already do and just don't want to admit it.

Narratives and all that...

 

[Jamezz]

Hayward's performance is what has me excited. The guy worked is tail feathers off this off-season, I think he'll be at least as good as last year, maybe even a little more efficient because the surrounding players are going to be an improvement taking a little pressure off him. When his game slants back to the mean and we still have a top notch D, we'll only be that much better. I just hope he kicks his standard early season slump quicker this year because we have a beast of a November ahead.

I hope it starts showing soon enough. I like that he's worked hard this off season but it's now when it matters. Many players work their butts off during the off season and they end up warming the bench, it's the 'it' factor what we're talking about, that thing that all superstars have on a fairly consistent basis.

No hate.

 

[Stoked]

I hope it starts showing soon enough. I like that he's worked hard this off season but it's now when it matters. Many players work their butts off during the off season and they end up warming the bench, it's the 'it' factor what we're talking about, that thing that all superstars have on a fairly consistent basis.

No hate.

Hayward had a great performance last season. In light of that his off season work is very encouraging.

yes he has gotten off to a slow start but that is his MO. He gets better as the season goes on usually.

 

[framer]

Hayward gets off to slow starts because he adds something to his game each year and attempts to utilize it. He has added a power game, which fact is amazing, and yeah, there will be bumps as he learns the ins and outs of it. I suspect it will end up going as well as his jab step, fall away experiment which took a little while to click. His defense has apparently risen a couple of notches this season as well (and he was already a pretty good defender.)

 

[str8line]

I don't think anyone's about to give him a wet willy anytime soon.

 

[fishonjazz]

Four years ago, the Warriors had a middle of the pack offensive efficiency, with a very young talented core, a couple of fringe all-stars and a strong defensive foundation.

A middle of the pack offensive efficiency and a top defense for the 4th youngest team in the NBA is a great thing.

repped.

 

[Game6Conley]

PG, I'm a little confused by your post on Hayward. Are you criticizing him?

So far as my take on him:

The only place I see a problem is with his shooting -- he is too inconsistent. He can do everything else, and do it well -- distribute, play defense, rebound, get to the hole and absorb contact, lead the team. What more do you want him to do -- for me, just start making a better percentage of his shots from the outside, and being more consistent at the foul line.

Not really, there's not much to nitpick.. I'm just trying to figure what his stats will look like, and I have the feeling they won't be as good as last seasons. I probably should've just titled the thread "will Hayward score 20ppg on 45% shooting this year (or next)?"


My only real criticism from the first few games is that I wish he'd try and get to the FT line a bit more when he's got someone 6'6" guarding him (not that his FTA's have been down), and that's just because I know he's capable of doing it. Defensively he looks better than I expected, minus a drive or 2 he allowed from Stauskas he's looked as good as I've seen him.

I actually think his 3pt shot looks great too, i'm more worried about him drawing fouls and his overall fg% dropping and his ast/to ratio normalizing.

Was not my intention for this thread to spiral out of control - I was just posting it because I think it's a storyline worth tracking.



I'm kinda weary about the Jazz making a playoff push(I wonder how they will deal with another key injury if it happens, probably not well..) , or winning much more than 40 games -- I could very well be completely wrong about that. (I bet on the Jazz over on the win total btw -- not with great conviction though)


I'm pretty sure players like Rudy, Burks, Favors and Hood are in for career years, If Hayward can have a career year, along with those 4 -- The ramifications would be awesome, they'd easily win 40 games and make the playoffs -- So I'm keeping a close eye on Hayward..

 

[Game6Conley]

I hope to see Hayward dropping 20 on Al Farouq Aminu tonight, Aminu has been playing really well for Portland thus far..


I also want to see how he holds up on the boards.. In that last preseason game vs the Blazers they out-rebounded the Jazz thoroughly

 

[MDAV28]

I also want to see how he holds up on the boards.. In that last preseason game vs the Blazers they out-rebounded the Jazz thoroughly

The one with Hayward, Favors, and Gobert sitting?

 

[Game6Conley]

The one with Hayward, Favors, and Gobert sitting?

No they all started. Just looked up the boxscore and they didn't beat them by much though 50-47. Seemed worse watching it, I certainly noticed it. Ed Davis was getting his hands on too many rebounds..

Was the game Meyers Leonard was hitting/taking all those 3's and talking ****..



Portland has a ton of moving pieces, I really like they way they've overturned the roster - Ed Davis (and Brandan Wright) was always my favorite recent UNC big (both Lefties), If the Jazz didn't trade for Trey,and you presume the Rudy trade at 27. I'd have gone with Schroder and Mason Plumlee at 21.. Aminu is very good on the boards. Always liked Vonleh and Mo Harkless.

I've got $$ on Portland to out-perform this year, same as Utah.. Lillard has been great so far for them, I've watched a few games, he's walking the fine line of getting everyone involved, and knowing when to take over. Plus their whole team is built around getting boards and 3pt shots, IMO that's a good gameplan in todays western conference..