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Something about his screening that I don't think has been mentioned is that he is CONSTANTLY screening, non-stop, and it becomes more of a focal point of discussion.
orangello
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If you believe that Favors is the future for the Jazz at PF the drafting JV doesn't make sense. They are more similar than people might believe. Both are better defenders than offensive weapons. Both are limited offensive players that will never be an offesive juggernaut. Both have great wing spans. Both have good to great athleticism.
Kanter and Favors are a much better combo the JV and Favors.
Last year in world champ. Ilyasova was the best player and Asik, Hedo , Erden, Tunceri was the other players to have great performance. But we were good as a team, playing very good defense. Right now, i dont have much hope for semi final, but at least i hope to see Kanter getting enough mins. Because he is obviously much better than other Centers except Asik and Erden, and these 2 guys recently recovered from injury. So i think after this game Kanter got a lot more confidence and his chances to get major mins increased.
Btw Hedo is a guy encouraging young players all the time so he would help them even more in the tourney
GVC
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Erden hasn't impressed me at all these last two games.
GVC
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Really? Noah seems quite a bit stronger than Asik.
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^ agree with both posts. Asik as of right now is certainly not stronger than Noah, nor has Erdin done anything profound in the past 4 games to my knowledge.
Seems like he's a bit more comfortable now with a few games under his belt. Some observations:
- He's gonna create some mis-matches whether he's playing Center (he'll be too quick for some) or playing PF (he'll be too strong for some)
- He's good at boxing out using his strength and getting rebounds (rather than out leaping opponents ala Favors)
- He'll continue to improve on his game - he seems to have that 'can do' attitude and definitely not a lazy player
- He's gonna create some mis-matches whether he's playing Center (he'll be too quick for some) or playing PF (he'll be too strong for some)
- He's good at boxing out using his strength and getting rebounds (rather than out leaping opponents ala Favors)
- He'll continue to improve on his game - he seems to have that 'can do' attitude and definitely not a lazy player
MVP
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I respectfully disagree. JV and Favors would be better combo IMHO as JV is much more typical center then Kanter. Kanter is to small to play center in NBA and best centers are usually great help defenders and shot blockers - and Kanter is neither. Kanter is post up, isolation type guy ( as I said same like Jefferson ), while JV is pick and roll, hustle player - think which one would fit better in Jazz pass happy offense? If you watched JV play in friendlies recently you would see that he is posting better offensive numbers then Kanter and it is not even close. Plus JV is taller and has longer wingspan and he still might be growing as he added about 15lbs in single year. Plus why would you say Favors and JV is limited offensively? I do not see any limits for any of them, C.Ford and D.Aldridge from ESPN said JV's best case turn out in NBA is P.Gasol - that is better offensive player then A.Horford to whom Kanter is compared. Post up moves is one thing, you need to look at whole picture like FG%, FT%, ability to draw fouls and so on.
Anyway it is water under the bridge now as we have Kanter and JV is Raptor, plus it will take about 3-4 years I think to say for sure if Jazz got it right with this pick. We will see. I wish I would have crystal ball, lol
Just check those videos from recent friendlies to see JV in action to have better idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0bPKro0Kag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHdlKApBuTA&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stQqOhB98vw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP2Vmt4KenM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XypNzblBTow&feature=related
A thought I've had for quite a while now is that you might be BEST served to play two players that are legitimate PF/Cs instead of true, locked-in position players. If Kanter and Favors sniff their potential... other teams are going to have a lot of trouble, especially since Favors and Kanter's strengths and weaknesses seem to fit very nicely together on paper. With exception to passing, they both have an exceptionally long way to go there.
But getting more to the point, I agree that Kanter COULD really be a SERIOUS matchup problem if he can keep or even increase his agility.
I actually think favors is a pretty well developed passer, he has great vision for a big man.
I respectfully disagree. JV and Favors would be better combo IMHO as JV is much more typical center then Kanter. Kanter is to small to play center in NBA and best centers are usually great help defenders and shot blockers - and Kanter is neither. Kanter is post up, isolation type guy ( as I said same like Jefferson ), while JV is pick and roll, hustle player - think which one would fit better in Jazz pass happy offense? If you watched JV play in friendlies recently you would see that he is posting better offensive numbers then Kanter and it is not even close. Plus JV is taller and has longer wingspan and he still might be growing as he added about 15lbs in single year. Plus why would you say Favors and JV is limited offensively? I do not see any limits for any of them, C.Ford and D.Aldridge from ESPN said JV's best case turn out in NBA is P.Gasol - that is better offensive player then A.Horford to whom Kanter is compared. Post up moves is one thing, you need to look at whole picture like FG%, FT%, ability to draw fouls and so on.
Anyway it is water under the bridge now as we have Kanter and JV is Raptor, plus it will take about 3-4 years I think to say for sure if Jazz got it right with this pick. We will see. I wish I would have crystal ball, lol
With all due respects to the 'experts' on ESPN - I'd say that's a marginal comparison at best...
MVP
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well, before the draft I was thinking it was way to much for him. I think at best he is poor mans big AL. Solid rebounder, but I do not see him as 20/10 player as some fans imagining.
Erden is a very good player, i think he has potential to be better than Asik but he is kinda inconsistent, he doesnt seem to work hard enough.
Come on, i dont agree Noah is stronger than Asik. Asik is really big, and he is a very dominant defender. Noah always seems too light to be a center to me,
You shouldnt look from the aspect that who is PF who is C, you should try to see who is the best couple together. Favors and Kanter have much more complementary skills than JV and Favors. JV would be a better fit to Big Al than Kanter but not to Favors.
If you really wanna make it clear who is PF and C, i would say, Favors looks like a more C than PF while Kanter vice versa
