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Game Thread August 30, 2020: Nuggets at Jazz - Game 6

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**** is so heartbreaking when you see how good Jeff Green has been for Houston. If the Jazz got that guy, our whole outlook on the our bench and free agency changes.

I dont know if he just hated living in Utah or if the offense was just too involved for him, but he is thriving in Houston simplistic offense.

It's also a lesson that you can't just compare apples and oranges when it comes to roster moves. If we never signed Jeff Green and he played for Houston all season we'd be saying "Why didnt our dumb FO get Green?". Who knows, maybe Ed Davis wouldnt have been complete *** on a different team.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
**** is so heartbreaking when you see how good Jeff Green has been for Houston. If the Jazz got that guy, our whole outlook on the our bench and free agency changes.

I dont know if he just hated living in Utah or if the offense was just too involved for him, but he is thriving in Houston simplistic offense.

It's also a lesson that you can't just compare apples and oranges when it comes to roster moves. If we never signed Jeff Green and he played for Houston all season we'd be saying "Why didnt our dumb FO get Green?". Who knows, maybe Ed Davis wouldnt have been complete *** on a different team.
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I think the Jazz are deeply flawed this year. This is a team that was down by 40 at the half in a game. The Green and Davis fiascos is a symptom of the bad ju ju going on. The soap opera with X is another symptom. Last night I was really frustrated with our bench or lack of one. I thought the Stars would perform as well or better. I'm talking about the Stars not on the roster. Willie Reed or Isaac Haas for a big, Paul White for a 4, and Kyle Collinsworth, Rodney Pryor and Trevion Bluiett for wings and Mike Scott for a point. Right now Mudiay is dead to Quin. Quin is the smartest guy in the room and he's better find some answers.
 


this was part of my issue last night. We really went away from the Rudy PnR last night. 1st quarter had it rolling. At times we were extremely stagnant on offense.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
**** is so heartbreaking when you see how good Jeff Green has been for Houston. If the Jazz got that guy, our whole outlook on the our bench and free agency changes.

I dont know if he just hated living in Utah or if the offense was just too involved for him, but he is thriving in Houston simplistic offense.

It's also a lesson that you can't just compare apples and oranges when it comes to roster moves. If we never signed Jeff Green and he played for Houston all season we'd be saying "Why didnt our dumb FO get Green?". Who knows, maybe Ed Davis wouldnt have been complete *** on a different team.
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Houston has simplified everything... defense and offense. It allows role players to thrive.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:


this was part of my issue last night. We really went away from the Rudy PnR last night. 1st quarter had it rolling. At times we were extremely stagnant on offense.
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It was so frustrating. I guess if you're gonna live by Clarkson chucking up everything, then you will also die by it. But damn, does Quin just have no power over the players getting into a set?

JC came in last night, hit a few quick ones. But his refusal to pass is really an issue, maximized when he can't make anything. I remember one play he jumped in the air to catch a ball. Ingles is right next to him open in the corner. Could easily just dump it to him, instead he landed, attempted to regain his balance. And jacked it up on his own. When he touches the ball he's shooting, almost always. Nothing else matters once he has it, it becomes "Will he make or miss this difficult shot that he is 100% about to chuck up. That just aint it in a playoff series. And we shouldn't expect to win playing that way. I get empowering the players and we have too many hesitant shooters as is. But really feels like there is a sweet spot here.

We have plenty of offensive series that we could do more with.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
It was so frustrating. I guess if you're gonna live by Clarkson chucking up everything, then you will also die by it. But damn, does Quin just have no power over the players getting into a set?

JC came in last night, hit a few quick ones. But his refusal to pass is really an issue, maximized when he can't make anything. I remember one play he jumped in the air to catch a ball. Ingles is right next to him open in the corner. Could easily just dump it to him, instead he landed, attempted to regain his balance. And jacked it up on his own. When he touches the ball he's shooting, almost always. Nothing else matters once he has it, it becomes "Will he make or miss this difficult shot that he is 100% about to chuck up. That just aint it in a playoff series. And we shouldn't expect to win playing that way. I get empowering the players and we have too many hesitant shooters as is. But really feels like there is a sweet spot here.

We have plenty of offensive series that we could do more with.
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I like JC... hope we keep him at a fair value. I would say he's worth $10M a year. If he was sucking and we had other options you can put him on the bench. I hope we don't overpay to keep him though.
 
Hekate said:
Yes but Rudy is playing against the best big in the league, at least offensively. He can't help on everything. Everyone needs to step up. Mitch can get some slack for sure.
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I'm not asking more of Rudy. I'm asking more of everyone else.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I like JC... hope we keep him at a fair value. I would say he's worth $10M a year. If he was sucking and we had other options you can put him on the bench. I hope we don't overpay to keep him though.
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Personally I'm signing JC with the thought of trading him asap.
 
l Abach l said:
Jazz dug their grave when they extended Ingles till the age of 35, bogey till the age of 34, and traded for a 32 yr old Conley. We had a 22 year old superstar and... we went and got older? It was asinine. What the **** were Lindsay and Snyder thinking?

Look at what Denver did. They aligned the roster age to Jokic and Murray. Look at all of these young teams. And here we are peddling out unathletic old players.
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A lot of players who have any talent get RFA signed by the same team and by the time their 2nd contract is done they can be around 30. The Ingles argument is valid (though he does have good trade value), as is the Conley argument, but the Bojan signing is a daaaaamn good signing. We signed him for way less than a guy like Tobias and Bogey beat expectations which says a lot.

Bogey doesn't depend on his athletic ability as much as other players - as long as he can shoot and doesn't become a gimp he'll be a contributer at 34.
 
NAOS said:
We’ve packed it in, guys. Where are all those Conley Bros who were taking victory laps? .

Our defense is ****ing feckless.
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Still here. Conley has been great all series. He's not why we lost the last two games.
 
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