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I will support any action that gets The Mountain taken off of the air.


It's like the *******-son of PBS and KUED7.
 
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jazzman12 said:
It looks like we'll get the chance to see if your scenario plays out like that. Most "insider" reports have BYU still hell-bent on going independent. While I think staying in the MWC and adding Houston is a much better option for them, it's easy to see why they don't want to return. Just my opinion, but it's almost impossible for BYU to return to the MWC while saving any face what so ever.

As much as I hate BYU and would like nothing more than to see them suffer, I don't think being independent will force them to play the likes Idaho in the middle of November on a yearly basis, but on the flip side they're obviously not going to have the pull that somebody like Notre Dame does when it comes to scheduling. BYU haters seem to think a move to independence is going to make them fall flat on their *** while BYU lovers seem to think that everything is going to be magical once they break free from the MWC and chart their own course.

As is usually the case, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle........
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Well, Utah is playing @Notre Dame in November this year. Why can't BYU do the same thing with the Irish? While Navy and Army aren't great programs, they carry a certain amount of interest because they are service acadamies. If BYU can frontload their schedule with decent teams and a few big games, finishing out the final month of the season with Notre Dame, Navy, and Army isn't as doom and gloom as it sounds. Hell, you can even throw Air Force into that mix. While they will be playing an MWC schedule, I could see them trying to keep a late date open for BYU each year.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go throw up in my mouth now. I've defended BYU waaaayyyy too much with my last couple of posts.

.....And P.S:

Welcome back Trout. Fundamentally, I disagree with you on almost every level but damn it, I find you to be one interesting son of a bitch.
 
jazzman12 said:
Well, Utah is playing @Notre Dame in November this year. Why can't BYU do the same thing with the Irish? While Navy and Army aren't great programs, they carry a certain amount of interest because they are service acadamies. If BYU can frontload their schedule with decent teams and a few big games, finishing out the final month of the season with Notre Dame, Navy, and Army isn't as doom and gloom as it sounds. Hell, you can even throw Air Force into that mix. While they will be playing an MWC schedule, I could see them trying to keep a late date open for BYU each year.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go throw up in my mouth now. I've defended BYU waaaayyyy too much with my last couple of posts.

.....And P.S:

Welcome back Trout. Fundamentally, I disagree with you on almost every level but damn it, I find you to be one interesting son of a bitch.
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Do you think Notre Dame, Navy, and Army would want to play BYU every single year though? I doubt it. Notre Dame has big money teams lined up to play them, and a big money conference begging them to join, there is no way they would age to play BYU more than 2 or 3 years.

BYU would need to fill in around 8 games every single year (what most teams play in-conference). And they would need to schedule these games for a time when everyone else is playing in-conference games, every year.

I can see them getting scrubs like Idaho because they need all the help they can get selling tickets. I can see them getting Utah State too, because Utah State is also in a scrub conference. But if Utah said they will only play them early in the season, and that is their biggest rival who has played them late in the season every year for like 100 years, why is anyone else going to play them late in the season?

And this is an even bigger deal if MWC teams hold a grudge and refuse to schedule them.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Do you think Notre Dame, Navy, and Army would want to play BYU every single year though? I doubt it. Notre Dame has big money teams lined up to play them, and a big money conference begging them to join, there is no way they would age to play BYU more than 2 or 3 years.

BYU would need to fill in around 8 games every single year (what most teams play in-conference). And they would need to schedule these games for a time when everyone else is playing in-conference games, every year.

I can see them getting scrubs like Idaho because they need all the help they can get selling tickets. I can see them getting Utah State too, because Utah State is also in a scrub conference. But if Utah said they will only play them early in the season, and that is their biggest rival who has played them late in the season every year for like 100 years, why is anyone else going to play them late in the season?

And this is an even bigger deal if MWC teams hold a grudge and refuse to schedule them.
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I'm sure Navy and Army would love to play BYU every year. Perhaps you should explain to me why they wouldn't. As far as Notre Dame goes, I don't see why a yearly series with BYU is out of the question. They can let the networks really play up the whole Catholics Vs. Mormons angle which I'd guess would give Notre Dame one of it's bigger TV audiences of each year and BYU would obviously be playing on a bigger network, so there's more $$$$$ to entice Notre Dame come down to BYU every other season.
 
jazzman12 said:
I'm sure Navy and Army would love to play BYU every year. Perhaps you should explain to me why they wouldn't. As far as Notre Dame goes, I don't see why a yearly series with BYU is out of the question. They can let the networks really play up the whole Catholics Vs. Mormons angle which I'd guess would give Notre Dame one of it's bigger TV audiences of each year and BYU would obviously be playing on a bigger network, so there's more $$$$$ to entice Notre Dame come down to BYU every other season.
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Well I don't think any of those teams would play BYU every year. Maybe here and there, a few years, but not every year.

Notre Dame has the Big 10, the Big 12, and the Big East, all begging them to join and trying to schedule as many games against them as possible. Plus Notre Dame plays USC every year on top of that. They also have a huge tv contract and automatic BCS qualifying already. They might throw BYU a bone and play them a couple times, but there is absoutely no way it would become an every year thing.

And in the ridiculously unlikely event that all 3 of those teams agree to play BYU every single year (which would never happen, but even if it did) that is only 3 games. They need 12, so 9 more- every year.

So what decent teams are going to schedule BYU every single year, while their conference is trying to schedule in conference games?

It's a pipe dream. And if it was even close to being as easy as you paint it then BYU would have never agreed to play 6 games per against WAC teams. BYU has said all along that they are trying to get the most exposure possible and that is the motivation for all of this. And yet they still agreed to play 6 games per year against crappy WAC teams before the MWC blew that plan up. So BYU must have known that scheduling is a going to be a problem, especially late in the season.

Trust me, if BYU didn't need the WAC, they would have never included them. BYU is not going to find 12 teams to play every year unless the list is made up mostly of Idahos, San Jose States, and equally crappy teams, with maybe a couple of big name teams mixed in here and there.
 
I thought this was something interesting, that I hadn't seen pointed out before:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...5-million-payments-from-Fresno-St-Nevada.html

"As for the termination date, WAC Bylaws make it very clear that Fresno State and Nevada must remain in the WAC through the 2011-12 season unless the WAC authorizes an 'early out.'" [said Benson]
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I'm not sure of everything that implies, but it seems extremely significant. The WAC has a little bit of leverage remaining, apparently.
 
Is this a typo?

https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/sports/50190862-77/conference-byu-wac-benson.html.csp
The conference also continues to insist that Fresno and Nevada must remain in the league through the 2012-13 academic year.

Both schools have informed the WAC that they intend to leave after the 2011-12 season.
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I thought the schools had informed the WAC they intend to leave after this season (2010-11), and that (as per the previous post) the WAC was trying to get them to stay through the 2011-12 season.
 
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