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I think the modern-day English Tories are, by American standards, a hard left party. The Nazis were about state ownership of the means of production, which is pretty much off the American political spectrum.


Putting the welfare of the state above the welfare of people is not a left-wing ideology.


Only if you warp what Sanders aims for beyond all recognition.


First point, I think the modern day English Torries are more like Nixon's Republicans, evil ****ers without any moral compass or intellectual integrity. The Nazis were not actually completely about state ownership they formed what is called a bund, a version of it is still used in Germany today, in effect industry would be run via a partnership between business and the state. (In modern Germany unions have a seat at this table too.)

The second point, it can end up and in most communist states almost always does end being that the state is put before the people. A lot of this can be traced back to the origins of Leninism but i can go on forever about this. In Democratic Socialist societies, they have almost all been democratic and stable, I can't think of an elected democratic socialist party that has attempted to install a dictatorship, I can think of a couple that have been overthrown by the US government in order to install a dictatorship tho.
 
True. The issue here is white supremacists on Fox News radicalizing viewers to act out their worst fantasies.

I’m fine with overhauling gun reform throughout the nation (I’m sure republicans and their Supreme Court will support that…). Make handguns much harder to get, increase wait times, ban ARs, buy guns back, invest in a PR campaign to break our sick gun culture fetish, etc. whatever it takes. I just want to live in a normal industrialized country where gun violence in malls, schools, theaters, churches, grocery stores, music concerts, etc aren’t a regular occurrence.
Fox News is not where crackpots go to get their ideas.

They get them from mainstream media reporting about crackpot incidents and copy the damn cat. Guts and Glory, kid. Guts and Glory.

I think you're silly hyping your schtick. Trump the anti-semite. yeah.

White Supremacists are born by watching CNN and just hating life. In fact, it's the kids who just don't go out on the street and see the world for what it is.

You can hardly grow up in America and become a White Supremacist. Watch a little basketball, or football, or soccer. Go to a dance or a bar. You have to get detached from the real world to get that wonked.
 
First point, I think the modern day English Torries are more like Nixon's Republicans, evil ****ers without any moral compass or intellectual integrity. The Nazis were not actually completely about state ownership they formed what is called a bund, a version of it is still used in Germany today, in effect industry would be run via a partnership between business and the state. (In modern Germany unions have a seat at this table too.)

The second point, it can end up and in most communist states almost always does end being that the state is put before the people. A lot of this can be traced back to the origins of Leninism but i can go on forever about this. In Democratic Socialist societies, they have almost all been democratic and stable, I can't think of an elected democratic socialist party that has attempted to install a dictatorship, I can think of a couple that have been overthrown by the US government in order to install a dictatorship tho.
I think modern American politics, both Dem and Republican, are historically "Tory" parties. The Republicans were taken over in the 1890s by British progressives like Lord Cecil Rhodes, the League of Nations club, warmongers who made America an Imperialist power in Cuba and the Philippines. The Robber Barons, all that. The democrats became a Tory holding when Winthrop and Jay Rockefeller installed Bill Clinton as Pres. To hell with the Unions in America, they're all wholly owned subsidiaries of Management.

People laugh at this. Stupid laughs. Sir Henry Kissinger is the model in American politics today.

And, yes, Liz Cheney is on that track.


And to add to the list, here are some others:


As a practical matter, our" US-based" Council on Foreign Relations is a subsidiary of Chatham House. with about 10,000 US leaders getting the "word" every month. Most of the SES personnel, many military leaders, almost all the media honchos, almost every President since it's creation.

Donald Trump went, hat in hand, to kiss the ring of the head of the CFR before he publicly announced his run for the Presidency. The Brookings Institution is a like-mind parallel organization, and that's where "The Resistance" got its start, as soon as Donald John was in the race. In fact, Trump called Bill and Hillary his friends and called them privately before he announced his run publicly, as well.

With information like that, it's an open question whether Trump is really the MAGA man, or the Chump in the Brit puppet show.
 
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Just another jab in the activist eye......

Here is Kissinger, today, talking about Russia and China.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b89jcNqgJo


Can anyone see the British Foreign Office in his head. Divide your enemies. Manipulate them to hate one another Trick them into fighting wars with each other.. Get the Peace Prize.

Without this kind of policy, there would not have been a war in Ukraine. A little push and shove, ages of local preferences butj pretty much more alike than Texas and New York.

As a matter of fact, Kissinger went there to help support the NATO/EU expansion and set up the NAZI Azov folks next to Zelensky's ear.

All this after Putin was rejected when he asked if Russia could just join NATO.

If we had done that, there would have been no divide the Brit Foreign Office could exploit to divide Europe or manipulate China.
 
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Very true, but the opposite is not.
Then, show us. An actual sign at an alt-right rally supporting Sanders.

As for the details of Bernie's preferred flavor of socialism, there are likely differences but among the major political candidates in the last election, he was closer to what they wanted to see than anyone else was.
Complete and utter horse-hockey, based on deliberate lies of two groups using the same word for different ideas.


Jason Kessler, a long time and very active democrat.
Going back, Kessler himself said this changed in 2013, about four years before Charlottesville.
 
Just my honest opinion. I prefer to sit and talk face to face, but all I have is a keyboard and an honest impression….
people in this forum are still arguing against my insistence of the United States being a republic rather than a democracy so I know there is little point into getting in to it but yes the Nazis were actual socialists even if they were not Marxist socialists. Their modern supporters are a good fit with Bernie Sanders.
It seems like you’re trying to create a type of cognitive dissonance, and not really for honest reasons. The “America is not a democracy” narrative was not about the fact we are a republic, but to try to take away any reason people might have for being concerned over 1/6, or to somehow make my right to vote, including for president, despite your elector technicalities, seem like, well, that’s not what I think it is, I’ve been living in a delusion where elections and my role as a citizen in our elections are concerned. But I know when I’m taking part in what I know as democracy in America. You’re just trying to make people’s heads spin. I know we’re a republic, and I know when I take part in a democratic process. And I don’t believe you can change that fact.

Here, you just make my head hurt. The interpretation of socialism you’re using is designed to cause thoughts like “Charlottesville was really extreme left”, because socialism is left. It’s designed to deflect. Deflect from right wing extremism, with a prominent “great replacement” core, and somehow cause minds to blame a political philosophy always associated with the left. I believe both arguments are forms of deflection, regardless of any intrinsic merits. Here, the truth is those banners promote far right mindsets, and the “great replacement” narrative is rightly associated with right leaning media personalities and Republican politicians. And, apparently in this guy’s case, the web forums he frequented.

I think in both cases people are bound to be taken aback, confused, break their stride. That’s a good thing many times, maybe most times, if it gets people to rethink their own beliefs and biases. But I don’t think it really works in either instance here.
As for the group in the Vice piece you linked to earlier, they grumbled on camera about Trump giving his daughter to a Jew but they marched in support of him anyway.
Well, as Mick Jagger once intoned: “You can’t always get what you want….but if you try sometime, you’ll find you get what you need”.
And they got what they needed, in Donald Trump, to feel empowered big time. That’s the trouble with the kind of rhetoric so often used by Trump, or media lowlifes like Tucker Carlson. There will always be people, often lurking and taking it all in, willing to take rhetoric to what they feel is the only logical conclusion.
 
Oh weird. Al lying again. Who could have ever foreseen that? Some people just aren’t very good people.
 
Oh weird. Al lying again. Who could have ever foreseen that? Some people just aren’t very good people.
LOL. Very aggressively twisting the fabric of space time so that he can still advocate for all the same stuff without having to be on the same team with racist murderers.

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LOL. Very aggressively twisting the fabric of space time so that he can still advocate for all the same stuff without having to be on the same team with racist murderers.

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Exactly.

He’s just not a person you can take seriously anymore. Like babe, he has his agenda and most of us just sorta ignore whatever nonsense they spout off.
 
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