Buyout Options

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  1. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    For sure. I know its only like 20 rotation minutes in the playoffs, but doing something there goes a long way. I hope we try to find a power stretch wing or stretch 4 that adds more diversity to what we can do... its why I wanted Christian Wood so much... could start him at 4 with Rudy and he can shoot it and you can hang with the big teams... use him as a backup 5 stretch option with bench units... helps shift up and down if need be.

    Its exciting to be in a place where we can say 1 or 2 solid rotation pieces and we are right there... but it sucks to kinda know we don't have those pieces now and have no real way to get them.
     
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  2. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    I'd be willing to settle for just signing Noah and Gasol. Or trade Davis and Bradley for Aminu. Of course, I'd love to have Wood, but realistically I think grabbing Gasol and Noah/Aminu is about the top of the upgrades we will get this summer. Could be less.
     
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  3. LoPo

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    It's almost like we are a "don't blow all of our assets and cap space on a washed up PG" away from being a contender. Hopefully, our front office realizes this over the summer and tries to make something happen. Mitchell should be at PG with Ingles helping with the PG duties from SF.
     
  4. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    I wouldn't get both of Gasol and Noah... we need a backup big (there are a lot) and a big wing with defense. I think Aminu might end up being washed... there are a few guys in the FA wing market I'd look at but its kinda bare.

    Don't want to keep beating on the drum but it'd be nice to see some rotation minutes from Morgan and/or Brantley to know if we can count on them as solid rotation pieces next year. If one of those guys filled a need we'd be in a pretty good spot.
     
  5. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Nah. We can roll into next season with them and then find out. If it doesn’t work out, there’s always the deadline. And if that don’t work out, there’s always the buyout market. If that don’t work, there’s always 2021 off season.
     
  6. jom2003

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    CP3, curry, Lowry, conley, Westbrook, Wall, kyrie, Lillard, name me another PG who was better than Jackson in 2016
     
  7. Wes Mantooth

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    Udoh, and a stretchy 4 and a Euro pg/combo this off-season would be sweet. I’d consider Sloukas for the latter this summer who’s contract is up.

    Dump NWG, and two other dudes.
     
  8. Shad

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    George Hill, Jeff Teague, Kemba Walker, John Wall DEFINITELY was, Isiah Thomas definitely was, Harden was technically the PG then too?

    So, you lose.
     
  9. jom2003

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    Both IT and Kemba were unproven low efficient chucker that couldn't guard a chair back back in 2016. I would not put them over Reggie Jackson. Even though they both took their game to the next level and turned out much better than Jackson in 2017, but saying in 2016 they were "DEFINITELY better" than Reggie Jackson, who was the starting PG on a playoff team and already had over 30 playoff games under his belt, was mere hindsight.

    Harden has always been a SG until D'Antoni was appointed in 2016-17.

    Only strong case you can make are Teague and G. Hill. I would say in 2016 both were on about the same level as Reggie Jackson. That is nowhere near the “scrub” level as people here make it out to be. The 2020 Jackson may not be as good as the 2016 Jackson. But let's not pretend that he‘s like shelvin mack. The guy could ball.
     
  10. SCS

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    Reggie Jackson has always been an inefficient chucker and he's never been able to guard.

    He puts up counting stats on teams that don't do s***. He has never at any point been anywhere close to being a top 10 PG.
     
  11. Shad

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    Thomas was averaging almost 30 a game on 18 shots? Is that really considered a "chucker" or low efficiency lmao? While dishing out 6 assists.

    You didn't even bother to mention John Wall who was 100% better than Reggie Jackson in 2016. Averaging 23-11-4

    Kemba Walker 23-5-4 on 18 shots per game. Another "chucker." lmao

    Reggie Jackson was averaging 15 and 5. AVERAGED 15 POINTS ON 13 SHOTS PER GAME. Even if you went back 1 year he averaged 18 points ON 17 SHOT ATTEMPTS LMAO. Really great efficiency there right?

    Now tell me, who was the lowest efficiency player IT, Jackson, or Walker?

    Reggie isn't even in the top 15 PG back in 2016. You need to get your stats straight.

    Here's some more players that were definitely better than Jackson: Jrue Holiday, Dragic, Tony Parker, Eric Bledsoe. Man this is TOO easy
     
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  12. jom2003

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    Again, facts. Could you name 10 PGs that were clearly better than Reggie Jackson in 2016? I can name probably 8 or 9, but Jackson was definitely in the conversation for number #9 or #10.
     
  13. jom2003

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    Don't know what stats you were looking at bro. Jackson averaged 19points in 2015/2016 season on 43.4% shooting. Kemba averaged 21 on 42.7% shooting and IT averaged 22 on 42.8% shooting. I wouldn't call Jackson uber effient but the 2016 IT or 2016 Kemba were probably not in a better place to judge on that.

    And before mentioning the likes of Tony Parker or Goran Dragic, I'd probably look up their stats in 2015/2016 season. Not to mention the number of games that Jrue Holiday or Bledsoe had helped their teams win in 2016. If you use that same metrics, Zach Lavine and Devin Booker are both better than DM right now. As a jazzfan you should know better.

    And I DID mention Wall in my top 10 list. Plus him that is still only 8 PGs that were clear cut better than Reggie Jackson in 2016. Calling him a "scrub" or "not even in top 15 PG list in 2016" is simply absurd
     
  14. zyzz

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    Markieff Morris and Detroit just agreed to a buyout
     
  15. Kar

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    I don't see him wanting to come to Utah. More importantly does the front office have any interest in him? He and his brother seem to find trouble where ever they go.
     
  16. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    He’s a poor man’s Marcus and I’m all for it. The FO isn’t, though.
     
  17. zyzz

    zyzz Well-Known Member

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    Looks like it’ll be Lakers or Raptors for Morris
     
  18. Release the Kraken

    Release the Kraken Well-Known Member

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    Just saw it, got my fingers crossed.
     
  19. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Even if we had interest we are not his first choice (or second, or third). He'd be helpful I think... but ain't happening.
     
  20. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Well at least he ain’t going to the Lakers
     

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