https://www.sltrib.com/home/4159470-155/university-of-utah-under-federal-investigation
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BYU - it's time come out of the dark ages.
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https://www.sltrib.com/home/4159470-155/university-of-utah-under-federal-investigation
Keep in mind this is the liberal voice in Utah
green
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LOL. This is the kind of close minded, fall in line thinking, that has ruined a lot of women's and men's lives and allowed rapists to prey on BYU students.
Be better.
I don't recall saying the entirety of the honor code was dumb. But, no intelligent person would argue that the honor code is 100% correct, or inspired from on high. It is a list of rules, and some of those rules are ridiculous.
I HATE this "all or none" attitude in my church, and especially among those who have strong ties to BYU. Not once does our doctrine say that it is all or none. Not once does it say the leaders of the Church are infallible.
Since Joseph Smith, members of the Church have questioned the prophet and some of the institutions' "policies". And with that questioning, the church has improved.
Hell, since this has happened and the heathens/gentiles have questioned BYU, changes have happened. Thank god for those those people, because the fall in line-BYU-is-correct people were wrong and had we listened to them, BYU would be worse off for it.
green
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You are better than this. So, if something could be better, we should just go away, or send our kids somewhere else?
Why not fight to change the obviously incorrect things and make BYU better? What is wrong with improvement? What is wrong with a little self awareness and change? What is wrong with eternal progression?
The problem with my church is that too many believe the prophet sits with Christ every Thursday and holds the answers to all the questions. If that is the case, then change is bad.
The reality is, none of the above paragraph is true. The prophet doesn't hold all the answers. He doesn't meet with Christ to go over church issues every Thursday. He is a man, trying to do his best to help us do our best. Change shows that.
Haha, look at Green go completely off the deep end... Nothing that he complained about in his last few posts was actually said by any of us.
Grind that axe though, green, I'm sure your petty justifications for not being a good Mo-Mo will go over just peachily some Thursday night down the road, when you and Christ are having your weekly sup.
#pray4green
Grind that axe though, green, I'm sure your petty justifications for not being a good Mo-Mo will go over just peachily some Thursday night down the road, when you and Christ are having your weekly sup.
#pray4green
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Cappy_Smurf
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Don't blame you a bit. Only school in the country where they might have a chance to make the football team.
green
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I think the amnesty awarded to victims is good. I also think the police and HC office should stop being cozy with one another. Honestly, no matter what Byu does there never seems to be a shortage of critics.
MVP
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Any religion dominated university is kind of oxymoron unless it is strictly for non scientific studies like theology, art, business or literature studies. Science and religion is incompatible IMHO. I concur with all the posters who would never let their kids go to BYU. And honor code? Seriously? In 21 century?
jimmy eat jazz
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Herein is one of my primary issues with the LDS Church; it has little to no respect for the privacy of the confessional. Odds are that, if you confess a serious sin, or even a non-serious one, to an Ecclesiastical Authority, others will out, whether because the authority reports it to another authority, it comes up in PEC meeting, the authority blabs to his wife,etc. Hell, the BYU admission/retention process is based explicitly on the violation of privacy, as information divulged during a Bishop's interview is, as a matter of normal procedure, shared with relevant BYU authorities (if not always in specific detail then in general).
Frankly, I find the LDS Church's lack of respect for the sanctity/privacy of the confessional to be appalling, and how it is handled in this case--sexually abused women being disciplined because of lack of respect for privacy--to be an even more appalling example of this practice. It's non-defensible in my opinion.
jimmy eat jazz
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The issue here, as I see it, is not whether the honor code is good per se (I believe BYU, as a private religious organization has every right to set up and enforce such a code that enforces adherence to religious doctrines, though I'd prefer to see a more charitable application of it at times)but whether it is appropriate to discipline a woman for breaking that code if she reports a case of sexual abuse. That is, instead of providing her succor in her anguish (which seems the Christian thing to do), it piles on anguish on anguish. Somebody who cannot see the uncharitable nature of this practice is, I believe, someone who truly lacks empathy for what these woman are going through.
From a practical perspective, (1) it discourages women from report cases of sexual abuse, which in turn (2) lets sexual abusers (a far more serious 'sin' than fornication or heavy petting one would think)get away with it.
Thus it is both an uncharitable and ineffectual practice that does far more harm than good.