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BYU to the Big 12 discussion???

This will all be irrelevant in a few scant years when the BCS reconfigures itself to re-exclude all the uppity mid majors that have weaseled their way into the big boys' club.

Even if AQ status goes away, I don't think independence is a good thing for BYU long term. Even if the schedule improves, it's going to be very difficult to shore up the November scheduling problems. It's probably always going to be a top heavy schedule for BYU which doesn't work IMO. Getting in a conference with Boise State and those Texas schools insulates BYU from those scheduling problems and opens up even more recruiting areas.
 
It will ultimately be interesting to see what happens with the landscape of college football in the coming weeks and months. I still think it is foolish that BYU did not bend over backwards(to an extent) to try to get into the Big 12.
 
It will ultimately be interesting to see what happens with the landscape of college football in the coming weeks and months. I still think it is foolish that BYU did not bend over backwards(to an extent) to try to get into the Big 12.

This.

Even if BYU somehow salvages a Big East deal, I think the biggest mistake was made when BYU didn't bend over backwards to get into the Big 12. The TV money from any future Big 12 contract would have put more $$$ in BYU's pockets than the 7 game home deal with ESPN does. The exposure BYU would reap in the Big 12 would far exceed any exposure they are currently getting with 8pm game times against Idaho or the rebroadcasts on BYUtv.
 
The more the drama in the media goes on, and on, the more I don't care.
Troutbum may have been on to something right from the start.
 
I think conference movement for the moment at least has slowed to a crawl. Give it another year and we will be hearing more rumors.

And where does BYU fit in then? The Big 12 will have long since moved on. The Big 10, PAC 12, ACC, and SEC will probably never be viable options for BYU, and if there still is a Big East it's quite possible that they grabbed what they could (San Diego State, etc) in order to stay alive and won't be interested in getting jerked around by BYU a second time.

Look, if you're a BYU fan and you're ok with what just went down over the last few months, who's to tell you that you're wrong? It's your team, you can decide to be happy or angry about all of this, but make no mistake: It's looking like Independence is no longer a temporary move. Whether it makes me a hater or not, I still think there's quite a few problems that need to be addressed if BYU plans on being a permanent independent, and I don't think they can fix all of those problems.

I think long term independence will be an unmitigated disaster for BYU. The apologists will try to paint a different picture but if you look at all of the factors facing BYU as they try to go it alone on a permanent basis, only a fool would dismiss all of the pitfalls that they are going to face. The deck is certainly stacked against them.
 
PHP:
Drinking the haterade!

Do you have the ability to point out why you think I'm wrong in a civil manner, or are you just going to continue to regurgitate the same old one liners that probably constitute 98% of your posts?

Wait, nevermind. I already know the answer.
 
I hope the zoobs are stoked on playing a team like SMU every year for the foreseeable future for their bowl games.

I am a little bummed for the people in my family that are BYU fans, but as a Ute fan, keep sending the best in-staters, please.
 
As a BYU fan I was a bit disappointed the Big 12 thing didn't work out, but I'm pretty "meh" about the Big East. I still think indepedence could work out well--yes, this year's schedule was pretty awful, but they said from the outset that it was hard to line up opponents in the short time necessary for this year. Next year's schedule seems a little improved, and what has been announced so far about the 2013 schedule is pretty darn good (https://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-13/mtn-west/2013-byu-cougars-football-schedule.php):

Texas
Hawaii
Utah State
GA Tech
Houston
Boise State
Notre Dame
Utah
Washington State
 
As a BYU fan I was a bit disappointed the Big 12 thing didn't work out, but I'm pretty "meh" about the Big East. I still think indepedence could work out well--yes, this year's schedule was pretty awful, but they said from the outset that it was hard to line up opponents in the short time necessary for this year. Next year's schedule seems a little improved, and what has been announced so far about the 2013 schedule is pretty darn good (https://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-13/mtn-west/2013-byu-cougars-football-schedule.php):

Texas
Hawaii
Utah State
GA Tech
Houston
Boise State
Notre Dame
Utah
Washington State

The 2013 schedule is without a doubt shaping up to be excellent, but I think it provides a couple of good examples of the problems BYU probably cannot fix as an independent:

-It's pretty unreasonable to expect BYU to go undefeated with a schedule like that, but it's also going to be impossible for BYU to get into the BCS without being undefeated. So aside from an 8-and-4 type of season, what does BYU gain from a schedule like this? Obviously it also doesn't benefit BYU to schedule a bunch of patsies in route to an undefeated season. The BCS door would still be shut. Welcome to the netherworld that is football independence for BYU.

-Even if BYU had a good enough team that could finish 2013 undefeated, are they going to be able to pull that off if during the first 4 or 5 weeks of the schedule they have to play: Utah, Ga Tech, Notre Dame, and Texas? Their schedule is almost certainly going to be too top heavy year in and year out. It's not fair to ask any team in the nation to start a season off like that withouth losing a game. Add to that the fact that Bronco Mendenhall teams usually seem to struggle early and get better as the season goes on.

Personally, I don't think BYU will ever be able to solve the problem of top heavy schedules. What BCS conference schools are going take breaks in conference play during November to accomodate the Cougars? Add to that the fact that it sounds like BYU hasn't made many friends in the college world during these flirtations with bigger conferences. I dont' think Big East or Big 12 schools are going to go out of their way to help BYU after they basically told both conferences: "We're a pretty big deal, now bow to our terms if you want us to join". The Pac12 has no interest in helping BYU out. They already refuse to let Utah play BYU in November. And have fun trying to get an SEC or ACC school to come anywhere west of the Missippi during the last month of the season.

It will be interesting how Cougar fans are going to deal with this long term. I honestly believe that BYU wants to play a very ambitious schedule year in and year out, but that most likely means a bunch of 7 or 8 win seasons for a fan base that has become accustomed to double digit victories each year. It probably also means year after year of Novembers with 3 or 4 WAC teams on the schedule or maybe even a couple of byes. A front loaded schedule also means many years in which Cougar fans know BYU is destined for the Armed Forces Bowl very early on in the year. It's pretty hard to sustain fan excitement that way.

It's just my opinion, but it just seems too unbalanced to work.
 
BYU joining X conference is bad for them or wait is it BYU not joining X conference is bad for them. Whatever BYU does is bad for them. We get it, Hater.
 
BYU joining X conference is bad for them or wait is it BYU not joining X conference is bad for them. Whatever BYU does is bad for them. We get it, Hater.

The Big 12 would have been better for them than the Big East but I have been consistent in saying that either conference is a much better option than independence.

I know you're going to act like a dick because that's pretty much your thing, but at least try to bring something to the table. I've never flip-flopped on whether or not BYU going to "conference X" was a good/bad thing.

Are you really at the point where you need to completely fabricate an argument?
 
It's pretty bad when Conan can't even go to a strawman argument or ad hominem attacks and just makes stuff up.
 
BYU joining X conference is bad for them or wait is it BYU not joining X conference is bad for them. Whatever BYU does is bad for them. We get it, Hater.

BYU not getting into the Big 12 was definitely bad for them. Not a hater, just stating a fact. The Big East is a different story. It's not as big of a loss.
 
Haters group session in full force here. I at least give a little credit to those of you with intellectual honesty and wear your haterism on your sleeve.
 
Haters group session in full force here. I at least give a little credit to those of you with intellectual honesty and wear your haterism on your sleeve.

How am I a hater in this discussion? I think the majority of people in and around college football will agree that not getting into the Big 12 was detrimental to the program going forward. The Big East isn't that big of a deal IMO.
 
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