BYU @ Utah........

[gregbroncs]

LOL.

This edit function is messed up.

I guess the pac-10 then could produce an opponent for the Utes.

Just as a fan of cities, I'd much rather g2 the bowl BYU might g2 in San Diego. Better weather, cleaner city, and beautiful beach over Vegas.

lol. I think I'd rather go to Vegas than New Mexico. No matter who the opponent ends up being.

But your thinking was correct the poinsettia bowl is preferable to Vegas for me.

 

[SaltyDawg]

lol. I think I'd rather go to Vegas than New Mexico. No matter who the opponent ends up being.

But your thinking was correct the poinsettia bowl is preferable to Vegas for me.

UTEP has already accepted sn invitation to play BYU in the New Mexico bowl.

Nevada has accepted an invitation to the Fight Hunger Bowl. Boise to the Vegas Bowl is a done deal and will be announced tomorrow.


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[CONAN]

I'm claiming that the ball is already out when the knee touched the ground, as evidenced by the pic I posted.


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FYI, it's a yes/no question. I'll ask again because some of the statements you've made are surprisingly cryptic. Is the BYU player down in the picture you posted? Yes or no?

 

[SaltyDawg]

FYI, it's a yes/no question. I'll ask again because some of the statements you've made are surprisingly cryptic. Is the BYU player down in the picture you posted? Yes or no?

Maybe, maybe not. The knee is part touching, part not, so it depends on which part you look at.

The point of me posting the picture was to show evidence that the ball was already loose before the player was down.

You can tell by the picture that even if he is down, he hasn't been down (butt still in the air, knee only halfway down), that is the instant that he went down. And at that instant, the ball is already out.


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[CONAN]

Maybe, maybe not. The knee is part touching, part not, so it depends on which part you look at.

The point of me posting the picture was to show evidence that the ball was already loose before the player was down.

You can tell by the picture that even if he is down, he hasn't been down (butt still in the air, knee only halfway down), that is the instant that he went down. And at that instant, the ball is already out.


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LOL! Ambiguous answers over an ambiguous pic. How surprising. I knew you wouldn't answer straight up.

 

[TroutBum]

Maybe, maybe not. The knee is part touching, part not, so it depends on which part you look at.

The point of me posting the picture was to show evidence that the ball was already loose before the player was down.

You can tell by the picture that even if he is down, he hasn't been down (butt still in the air, knee only halfway down), that is the instant that he went down. And at that instant, the ball is already out.


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Salty... Seriously. Stop man. You got your gift, you got your money -- for the love of all The Gods, shut the **** up.

Love Always,

Trout.

 

[gregbroncs]

Maybe, maybe not. The knee is part touching, part not, so it depends on which part you look at.

The point of me posting the picture was to show evidence that the ball was already loose before the player was down.

You can tell by the picture that even if he is down, he hasn't been down (butt still in the air, knee only halfway down), that is the instant that he went down. And at that instant, the ball is already out.


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God I hate agreeing with Conan. But the knee itself does not have to touch for him to be down, any part of the leg or arm except a foot or a hand touching and he is down. The player in your pic's calf is touching and he is down and has been down for a bit. He does not have the ball so it does not matter. Pretty much this pic is worthless to the argument.

I still agree the video is inconclusive as you can't see the ball carrier holding the ball when his knee touches. And the impartial refs agreed with that even after reviewing it.

Also this call was not the end all be all of the game. It definitely changes the dynamic at the finish but if BYU goes 3 and out or even a little longer Utah may score a TD with no time for BYU to even attempt that FG. The non call on the horse collar changed the dynamic of this game as well. If Utah gets that extra yardage they may get points. At this point it's all moot.

 

[Scat]

I don't see where the knee is when the ball comes out in your link. If you claim is in there, then post that shot.

I posted a clear shot showing the ball was out (not coming out, not being stripped, but already gone) while his butt was still in the air and the knee wasn't even all the way down yet.

Your link was not conclusive. It showed his knee, but didn't show where the ball started coming out.

Nice try though, homer.

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Watching the video vs your picture, your picture came after the knee had been firmly planted and then pulled back off the ground by the Utah defender. If you watch the video of when his knee actually hit the ground he still had the ball. Your picture is after that so it proves nothing other than another example of you being a self admitted cheat and liar to do anything that makes Utah look good.

That being said, for the game to hinge on that one play for BYU is just stupid. Maybe Bronco should have gone for the field goal earlier in the game. Bronco should be fired.

 

[SaltyDawg]

God I hate agreeing with Conan. But the knee itself does not have to touch for him to be down, any part of the leg or arm except a foot or a hand touching and he is down. The player in your pic's calf is touching and he is down and has been down for a bit. He does not have the ball so it does not matter. Pretty much this pic is worthless to the argument.

I still agree the video is inconclusive as you can't see the ball carrier holding the ball when his knee touches. And the impartial refs agreed with that even after reviewing it.

Also this call was not the end all be all of the game. It definitely changes the dynamic at the finish but if BYU goes 3 and out or even a little longer Utah may score a TD with no time for BYU to even attempt that FG. The non call on the horse collar changed the dynamic of this game as well. If Utah gets that extra yardage they may get points. At this point it's all moot.

The point of the pic is, if you look at the position he is in, he is not supporting his body weight like that. So you can judge if you think he has been in that position longer than the ball started coming out or not. To me it's pretty clear the ball started coming out first. And worst case scenario (for the Utes) is it is not conclusively the fumble all the BYU homers say it is.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Watching the video vs your picture, your picture came after the knee had been firmly planted and then pulled back off the ground by the Utah defender. If you watch the video of when his knee actually hit the ground he still had the ball. Your picture is after that so it proves nothing other than another example of you being a self admitted cheat and liar to do anything that makes Utah look good.

That being said, for the game to hinge on that one play for BYU is just stupid. Maybe Bronco should have gone for the field goal earlier in the game. Bronco should be fired.

I am not a cheat, nor a liar.

If that shot came after he went down and was picked up again, then prove it. Show me a shot of him down before the ball started coming out. Every shot I have seen either didn't show the ball, or the ball was already out.

Those were some pretty harsh words in your post. I trust that you would have something to back them up with. You wouldn't just blatantly personally attack me when you were talking out of your *** would you? Let's see this conclusive evidence that proves I am just a cheat and a liar because of this bad call...

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Yep good info on Wynn being out (saw it last night on Talkin' Sports), would've thought the papers would've had something on it by Sat. guess not, it does raise a bit of a question if he is having surgery on it when was it hurt? Also was he playing hurt during the rivalry game?
Guess those questions may be answered time to check the Internets.

 

[CONAN]

Pretty much this pic is worthless to the argument.

Precisely. The guy is CLEARLY down in the pic which is why it is worthless. This is just another example of Salty being Salty.

And for the record, I'm fine with the call.