calling it now: Kanter will be traded, and Burke will be in the deal

[stitches]

I see that as the future line up as well.





I disagree, but I may be wrong. I like the Gobert and Favors combo. I wouldn't mind sacrificing a little offense for some great rim protection defense. I also think both Favors and Gobert's offense will improve. I think Favors already has nice form. I think he can learn to stretch the floor a little. I also think Gobert can improve significantly. He has nice form and is rapidly improving his free throw shooting. I can see him developing a mid range game as well. He strikes me as a smart guy. I think he'll figure it out. They should be having him start shooting some shots now so he can develop it. It can't hurt. If that guy develops an offensive game, he has the potential to be the best center in the league.

I think the idea of Favors and Gobert pairing together sounds like an opportunity you can't pass up without seeing if it can work first. We have to focus on building a great defensive team if we want to win a championship.

The huge problem with Favors/Gobert pairing is not their individual offense(which can be a problem, too), it is the team offense that suffers most - the spacing gets screwed totally. There was a point last night when the Suns refused to guard Gobert anywhere out of 15 feet. They just sagged off him and clogged the paint. I can't stress enough how much of a problem this is. It means that one of our players guards himself out of 15 feet. It means the opponent can double other player in certain situations without having to worry about getting abused for it. It means the opponent can use 1 player to guard 2 people in certain situations around the paint, thus having much easier task of help defense and covering the perimeter. It means that the pick and roll with Gobert becomes obsolete - when Gobert's man just doesn't come up with him to guard him, it means creating less mismatches.

Now imagine you have 2 player of this sort on the court at the same time. Favors is a bit better really, so that's unfair and he will make them regret sagging off him this much, but the point is still valid - we'd have 2 players on the floor who cannot score out of the paint. I simply don't see it as a viable option offensively in the long run.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I would love Pek, who is basically a rich-man's and proven Kanter.

I think I would love Pek, anyway. This is probably neither here nor there.

 

[sepanol]

id trade kanter and burke for Reggie Jackson.

i would trade you from world for aliens

 

[Stifle Tower]

Hawks: THey will likely lose Millsap unless they want to give him a big raise next year. Kanter gives them a safety net with some upside. Do the Jazz want to pay Millsap 10-12 a year with Booker on the books and looking awesome at 5 mill a year? Probably not.
Lakers: Kanter gives them some help up front and lets the Jazz deal with Randle's severe injury recovery and development. Sounds like something the Lakers might be interested.
Miami: They don't have jack ****.
Knicks: Shumpert is a defensive stalwart that can guard either wing position. He probably has more value than Kanter. Shumpert shut down Lebron the other night.
Minnesota: I don't see Kanter and Pek as a good fit, worse than Favors and Kanter actually. Bennett has improved to much at this point to be had for Kanter, thats why GMs have to be fast on their feet.

I'd hear Kupchak laughing all the way up at my house (35 miles NE of LA). Lakers KNOW they're going to be bad. They don't care. Randle WILL be a good player in the NBA. Kanter is a one-year rental and then gets overpaid by someone. LA would be willing to swap out Boozer for Kanter and maybe throw in a 2nd-round pick.

Kanter has very little value at this point. Every GM knows he can't play defense and is caught in between two positions. He might net a 2nd round pick at the deadline.

 

[sepanol]

guys, guess what , i was expecting kanter to be much better right now than he actually is so i was wrong and i accept it. but please all peeople who got hatred for him, dont say he is a good player if he has good performance for couple of games in a row, like he got 2 bad games in a row. JUst have an opinion and defend it.

right now it is stupidest thing to trade kanter because he got no trade value at all. But at least he still got some potential. So see until end of season, if he consistently sucks, just let him go, simple as it is. Dont be a hater, be logical ( though im stilll a boozer hater)

i think burks is the real piece not fitting our team, he gotta be traded because he is a good player and we can get something in return, but we will get literally nothing for kanter in current position. best bet keep him until end of season to make a good decision. BUt i repeat it again and again, Burks, is not a good fit. we got exum , we got hayward who is better at 2, we cant keep all 3 of them. We need a powerful SF and make a rotation between hayward exum and him and let burks go. And burke may not be best pg ever but we cant afford a more quality pg while we pay so much to hayward. So burke should stay too. this is my opinion about our perimeter.

About bigmen, i believe Favors will be a good part of team but he aint become karl malone in one game and he wont become fesenko with couple bad games he will play thoroughout season. Just about kanter, all i can hope is he dont f...k up. Not for that he is turkish but for the sake of team. Because we wont be able to find a better player then one he would become with fulfilled potential with same price. And in contrary to some retard posters think (well just vermin actually), i am not a kanter fan but jazz fan, so if he sucks, he can go to hell, just it is not for the good of the team to boo him or trade him right now.

 

[Hedda Gambler]

i think burks is the real piece not fitting our team, he gotta be traded because he is a good player and we can get something in return, but we will get literally nothing for kanter in current position. best bet keep him until end of season to make a good decision. BUt i repeat it again and again, Burks, is not a good fit. we got exum , we got hayward who is better at 2, we cant keep all 3 of them. We need a powerful SF and make a rotation between hayward exum and him and let burks go. And burke may not be best pg ever but we cant afford a more quality pg while we pay so much to hayward. So burke should stay too. this is my opinion about our perimeter.

Really?

 

[oldtimer]

I still love Kanter. Hope he is not traded. I think we will need him. that being said Booker has outplayed him to start the season. It's a long season however, and I hope he starts playing better.

 

[Krespino]

guys, guess what ,

Favors will be a good part of team but he aint become karl malone in one game and he wont become fesenko with couple bad games he will play thoroughout season. Just about kanter, all i can hope is he dont f...k up. Not for that he is turkish but for the sake of team. Because we wont be able to find a better player then one he would become with fulfilled potential with same price. And in contrary to some retard posters think (well just vermin actually), i am not a kanter fan but jazz fan, so if he sucks, he can go to hell, just it is not for the good of the team to boo him or trade him right now.

What does being Turkish have to do with it? Is it like "being Turkish, he WOULD f...k up, naturally, and it would not be surprising, but in spite of that disadvantage of his I hope he doesn't f up..."?

 

[Stifle Tower]

The huge problem with Favors/Gobert pairing is not their individual offense(which can be a problem, too), it is the team offense that suffers most - the spacing gets screwed totally. There was a point last night when the Suns refused to guard Gobert anywhere out of 15 feet. They just sagged off him and clogged the paint. I can't stress enough how much of a problem this is. It means that one of our players guards himself out of 15 feet. It means the opponent can double other player in certain situations without having to worry about getting abused for it. It means the opponent can use 1 player to guard 2 people in certain situations around the paint, thus having much easier task of help defense and covering the perimeter. It means that the pick and roll with Gobert becomes obsolete - when Gobert's man just doesn't come up with him to guard him, it means creating less mismatches.

Now imagine you have 2 player of this sort on the court at the same time. Favors is a bit better really, so that's unfair and he will make them regret sagging off him this much, but the point is still valid - we'd have 2 players on the floor who cannot score out of the paint. I simply don't see it as a viable option offensively in the long run.

The next question would be can Favors and Kanter play together? I'd say evidence shows they can't. At least not that well.
The Jazz have three players who have to be in the paint to be effective in Favors, Kanter and Gobert. I don't think there's any question who the starting 5 should be, especially after last night. Favors absolutely dominated the paint on both ends. Derrick is not a PF; he doesn't have the range, although he's improved his offensive game considerably the last couple of years.

I'd argue Kanter has pretty much proven - barring miraculous development over the next 79 games - that he doesn't have the quickness to guard 4's, nor can he be a consistent outside. So he has to be a center.

So that leaves us with the question of who should be the backup 5: Kanter or Gobert. I know Enes has some Big-Al type moves underneath, but he's just too much of a liability on the other end. Plus he's up for a contract. IMO, Jazz HAVE to go with Gobert. Much rawer, but has shown the potential of being an elite defender. And there's no reason right now he can't just play the 15-18 mins behind Derrick. Gobert is not ready to be a starter. If he gets there in 2-3 years, that's fine. Then we have two amazing assets in Gobert and Favors. It could very well come down to Favors signing at a hometown discount if he wants to remain in Utah. Or Utah could include either in a blockbuster trade.

IMO, the Jazz need to part ways with Enes and pursue a stretch-4. Maybe happens at the deadline or perhaps via free agency next summer. Kanter needs to be in a situation like Charlotte. He's not going to be effective in Quin's offense where he can neither be the anchor inside nor be a perimeter shooter.

 

[Stifle Tower]

i think burks is the real piece not fitting our team, he gotta be traded because he is a good player and we can get something in return, but we will get literally nothing for kanter in current position.

After the game he had last night, maybe Jazz should trade Favors. He's got more value than Burks.
Derrick might even net us Thomas from Phoenix. I'm sure they would love to have the player who schooled Plumlee and Len and has one of the best contracts in the league. Then play Kanter at the 5. Logjam solved and Enes gets to play inside.

 

[Fishsticks]

i would trade you from world for aliens

Ok. I guess you call that funny where you are from?

 

[Fishsticks]

What does being Turkish have to do with it? Is it like "being Turkish, he WOULD f...k up, naturally, and it would not be surprising, but in spite of that disadvantage of his I hope he doesn't f up..."?

You don't know sepanol very well. Pretends to be a jazz fan, but is purely a kanter homer. Chases people around who are not kanter homers and negs. Basically biggest bitch on this board.