Chris Hardwick

[RandyForRubio]

Most abuse victims go back, its pretty common.

I would venture to guess that he didnt break any law but that is not really a good basis for right/wrong. Just because he does not deserve jail time does not mean he did nothing wrong or that he cant be punished by people who dont like his behavior. He has the right to be ****** and people have the right to not want to associate with him or give him employment/attention. It sounds like this guy took advantage of his position of power and fame and used it to be an abusive ****** person. I dont think she was perfect in this, nor did she do everything right. Every relationship is a 2 way street. But he still seems like a ****** person and I have no problem with him being shamed by his ****** behavior. People are independently disassociating with him and losing his job or position of power is perfectly reasonable reaction to someone being ******.

I don’t disagree with any of this.

I think people saying he raped her, and that she was forced into all of this are being extreme.

 

[One Brow]

Still does not mean she is right. If you check some of her other posts she sounds a bit crazy..... I am not psychiatrist by any means but she does not look like very sane person whom I would trust.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ardwick-ENDED-relationship-Chloe-Dykstra.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ardwick-ENDED-relationship-Chloe-Dykstra.html

Frankly, it's Hardwick's text that looks a little insane to me. Chloe's responses are pretty much what I would expect from a person who has not recovered from her abuse.

Did you even notice the Daily Mail article contained an outright falsehood? It says Hardwick used this text to break up with Chloe, but if you actually read the text, it's clear they had separated before Hardwick sent the text. Do you think the Daily Mail was lying, or Hardwick?

This says she tried to text him numerous times trying desperately trying to reconcile after the break up. Why would you do that if you were sexually and emotionally abused? And why would you start talking about abuse 4 years after breakup and not when it is happening?

Many abused people try to reconcile, and some take decades to be able to talk about it.

To me it is classical case of somebody being butt hurt and trying to get back at his ex with fake stories in hopes of ruining his career. Well done Chloe. You got your few minutes of fame. Now lets move on from this.

Chloe will get nothing but this but scorn from ignorant people who don't understand what abuse means or does. She has nothing to gain.

 

[RandyForRubio]

So, it's only rape if you are physically tied down? Are you sure that's the position you want to go with?

I'm going with this: if a person does not want to have sex, and you bully them into it by whatever means, that is rape.

Let me be blunt with you.

She was not forced to have sex with him based on what she said. She was given an option, which she was aware of when she started dating him, and she chose to do it. He’s wrong for doing it, but he didn’t do anything illegal. I’ll repeat, he was upfront with how their relationship would be and she agreed to it. Does she get completely absolved for that?

 

[RandyForRubio]

Frankly, it's Hardwick's text that looks a little insane to me. Chloe's responses are pretty much what I would expect from a person who has not recovered from her abuse.

Did you even notice the Daily Mail article contained an outright falsehood? It says Hardwick used this text to break up with Chloe, but if you actually read the text, it's clear they had separated before Hardwick sent the text. Do you think the Daily Mail was lying, or Hardwick?



Many abused people try to reconcile, and some take decades to be able to talk about it.



Chloe will get nothing but this but scorn from ignorant people who don't understand what abuse means or does. She has nothing to gain.

That’s clearly not true.

She got him fired. Shes gotten revenge. She’s gotten more attention (positive and negative) than she’s ever gotten in her life, and most of the attention is positive.

To say that she’s getting nothing but negative from this is crazy.

 

[One Brow]

Let me be blunt with you.

I can't tell the difference between the new bluntness and the former non-bluntness.

She was not forced to have sex with him based on what she said.

She told him on various evenings that she did not want to have sex, he bullied her emotionally until she gave in, and he entered her while she was crying from the abuse, even joking about the tears later.

She was given an option, which she was aware of when she started dating him, and she chose to do it. He’s wrong for doing it, but he didn’t do anything illegal. I’ll repeat, he was upfront with how their relationship would be and she agreed to it. Does she get completely absolved for that?

Thank goodness we have a man in here reminding us that it's the woman's fault for being raped.

Since we are being blunt: I don't recall you mentioning anything she needs to be absolved of. Before we discuss whether to absolve her, do your homework and tell us something she actually did that was wrong, and she needs absolution for.

 

[One Brow]

That’s clearly not true.

She got him fired. Shes gotten revenge. She’s gotten more attention (positive and negative) than she’s ever gotten in her life, and most of the attention is positive.

To say that she’s getting nothing but negative from this is crazy.

Take a look at this board. The posters with negative opinions are outrunning the positive by about 2-1. That's what women who come forward can expect.

Getting Hardwick fired gains her nothing. Revenge gains her nothing. You are painting her as hugely vindictive and holding a grudge for 5 years over a break-up with someone, even though she's dated many other people since. You are assigning her the meanest of motives for no reason other than it makes you feel better about things.

 

[MVP]

Chloe will get nothing but this but scorn from ignorant people who don't understand what abuse means or does. She has nothing to gain.

Again, neither you nor me knows the truth. We both can decide given the information which side to support and we can agree to disagree. I do not believe Chloe, period.

 

[Miggs]

Take a look at this board. The posters with negative opinions are outrunning the positive by about 2-1. That's what women who come forward can expect.

Getting Hardwick fired gains her nothing. Revenge gains her nothing. You are painting her as hugely vindictive and holding a grudge for 5 years over a break-up with someone, even though she's dated many other people since. You are assigning her the meanest of motives for no reason other than it makes you feel better about things.

Lmao. “Women who come forward.”

He was so mean that she didn’t break up with him. And he was so mean that she caved and had sex with him. And she of course only made this public once he dumped her for cheating on him. Cry me a ****ing river. Bullied lmao. Is this ****ing middle school? High school? And by the way, this is so criminal an act, the police have of course arrested the dude. What’s that? They haven’t you say? Really? I’m shocked. Write4Poo, take your garbage elsewhere.

 

[One Brow]

Again, neither you nor me knows the truth. We both can decide given the information which side to support and we can agree to disagree. I do not believe Chloe, period.

Agreed. I can choose to be on the side that believes victims, you can choose to be on the side that disbelieves victims, and nothing can force us to change that. However, I will not agree that disbelieving victims is morally equivalent to believing them.

 

[One Brow]

Lmao. “Women who come forward.”

Yeah, I believe you do laugh at women who come forward.

He was so mean that she didn’t break up with him.

Except, she did. Hardwick's own text acknowledges that.

And he was so mean that she caved and had sex with him.

Yeah. Do you also make your wife cry before you have sex?

And she of course only made this public once he dumped her for cheating on him.

Except, she broke up with him, and that happened several years ago. Your entire narrative is fictional.

Cry me a ****ing river. Bullied lmao. Is this ****ing middle school? High school? And by the way, this is so criminal an act, the police have of course arrested the dude. What’s that? They haven’t you say? Really? I’m shocked.

I believe you are so secluded in your worldview that you think men are usually arrested even after a formal charge of rape. However, this is not true, and here we don't even have a formal charge. It would be a shock if he were arrested.

Write4Poo, take your garbage elsewhere.

I suppose you meant the comparison as an insult. I take the comparison about as seriously as I take your bloviations on rape.

 

[fishonjazz]

Agreed. I can choose to be on the side that believes victims, you can choose to be on the side that disbelieves victims, and nothing can force us to change that. However, I will not agree that disbelieving victims is morally equivalent to believing them.

What about him being the victim when she cheated on him? Im sure that hurt him emotionally and probably made him feel bullied. Should be classified as sexual assault tbh.

 

[fishonjazz]

So, it's only rape if you are physically tied down? Are you sure that's the position you want to go with?

I'm going with this: if a person does not want to have sex, and you bully them into it by whatever means, that is rape.

Define "bully them." One time my wife wanted to have sex and i didn't. She persuaded me into having sex though. I dont feel that i was raped.