Clippers offering Bledsoe, Butler to Celtics for Garnett

[Purch]

They could still get starting minutes and play together, even if one is coming off the bench. I just think the defense/offense combo of a Favors-Millsap-Carroll-Hayward-Bledsoe lineup sets the table better. Kanter gets all the touches he needs on the second unit. Players don't have to start to contribute, and a lot of teams shoot themselves in the foot by choosing lineups based on overall talent rather than fit. The Spurs, who you've cited in this very thread, are a perfect example of this (Manu).

I don't think it does at all. I think Favors has shown many stretches this season where he's been much more valuable than Millsap, and I think Kanter is the only one on this team who can really develop into a go to scorer ( and take Al's place in that regard). He has shown the abilty to dominate inside the post, but can also run the court, and play the pick and rolll whiles he's also improved as a passer. I don't see why we'd want him playing behind Sap. If anything Sap's creating abilty, would make him much more valuable to the bench unit. I'd prefer a scenerio with Bledsoe-Hayward-Carroll-Kanter-Favors following the Pistons model to some degree, however with a go to scorer like Sap off the bench.

 

[Purch]

People are complaining about mediocrity and seeing little evidence that the organization is committed to a championship, not being the worst in the league. A lot of people wouldn't mind being the worst in the league at the right time. I would expect someone that's actually paying attention to know that, so either you're not terribly bright, you haven't actually really been paying attention, or are not being honest.

Yawn. I'm not gonna get into a little insult contest with someone I have no real problem with. You might not agree with my views, but I watch all of these games multiple times on leauge pass and when I'm making my highlights, and I read 3 Jazz forums after every game, so belive me, there's nothing I'm not paying attention to. And you can question my intelligence all you want, but that wont make me see things from you perspective, because that's not how people respectfully debate.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Yep, not only would they really get after teams defensively - but they wouldn't necessarily have the talent to throw the ball to 1 guy and let him score with mediocre efficiency ... so they'd have to execute the offense. Hayward is creating more but for much of the season it's been amazing how many baskets our current 2nd-unit gets just by playing aggressive defense and cutting/setting hard screens on offense.

I think at this point, this is the compelling argument against Al's offense. Al's inarguably improved his passing, that's cool, but he hasn't improved his defense, his presence in transition (which was and is 0), his focus, his physicality, or his aggressiveness. So we can't bitch about Al's passing as much anymore, but we can bitch about those other things, and we can still bitch just as hard about the complacency of strategy so that growth of the young players or the improvement of the offense are not important becuz look guys al is BIG OK.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Yawn. I'm not gonna get into a little insult contest with someone I have no real problem with. You might not agree with my views, but I watch all of these games multiple times when I'm making my highlights, and I read 3 Jazz forums after every game, so belive me, there's nothing I'm not paying attention to. And you can question my intelligence all you want, but that wont make me see things from you perspective, because that's not how people respectfully debate.

Okay. But you're narrative of what goes on here is still inaccurate.

 

[Purch]

Okay. But you're narrative of what goes on here is still inaccurate.

From what I've read from the majority of posters it seems to fit just fine.

And on a side note, I've stated multiple times that I don't agree with the team not commiting to our young players, and I also don't agree with a lot of Corbin's decisions regarding rotations, and the offense. However, I don't let that change my judgement of what's going on, on the court. Which happends to be a season, where we're in the top end of the leauge in every offensive category, and we're the 7th seed in the west.

I understand where people are coming from, but making us seem like the worst team because of our offense and defense, doesn't reflect what's actually happening on the court especilly statistically.

 

[Dr. Jones]

If Boston does this we could make a run for rondo...

Paul plus some pics!!

I don't know what pics you've got, and of whom, but if they and Paul will net Rondo, bust those pics out, bro.

 

[DutchJazzer]

By the way the Jazz are also 9th in the leauge in assist, and number 14 in fg%percent.

So to review the Jazz are

11th in offensive rating
11th in ppg
9th in the leauge in assist
and 14th in the leauge in fg%

yet defense where it counts.
jazz allow the 2nd most points in the paint.
and score less points in their paint then their opponents.

eg their defense SUCKS

 

[GVC]

I don't think it does at all. I think Favors has shown many stretches this season where he's been much more valuable than Millsap, and I think Kanter is the only one on this team who can really develop into a go to scorer ( and take Al's place in that regard). He has shown the abilty to dominate inside the post, but can also run the court, and play the pick and rolll whiles he's also improved as a passer. I don't see why we'd want him playing behind Sap. If anything Sap's creating abilty, would make him much more valuable to the bench unit. I'd prefer a scenerio with Bledsoe-Hayward-Carroll-Kanter-Favors following the Pistons model to some degree, however with a go to scorer like Sap off the bench.

The main point I'm making is that who starts/comes off the bench shouldn't be the main concern. Rather, we should be concerned with how the players on the court complement each other. There's plenty of room to disagree on what lineups would be best.

My concern with starting Kanter-Favors-3-Hayward-Bledsoe is that the halfcourt offense would get bogged down a lot. Bledsoe and Favors are energy/defensive guys for the most part. Millsap has shown an ability to operate well with the ball and without. He's an adept passer from the free throw line extended and off the bounce. You still get good energy and defense running out a lineup featuring Favors-Millsap-Hayward-Bledsoe, while also getting into a good rhythm offensively.

This will likely be Millsap's last big longterm contract. I imagine he'll be fine letting Kanter ease into a starting role as he becomes ready.

 

[Dr. Jones]

From what I've read from the majority of posters it seems to fit just fine.

And on a side note, I've stated multiple times that I don't agree with the team not commiting to our young players, and I also don't agree with a lot of Corbin's decisions regarding rotations, and the offense. However, I don't let that change my judgement of what's going on, on the court. Which happends to be a season, where we're in the top end of the leauge in every offensive category, and we're the 7th seed in the west.

I understand where people are coming from, but making us seem like the worst team because of our offense and defense, doesn't reflect what's actually happening on the court especilly statistically.

One tiny thing..

Take what people post here largely with a grain of salt. Most everything is grossly exaggerated in an effort to make a point (and typically with some poor humor thrown in). I don't know that the collective posts are a good summarization of how the people behind the usernames truly feel on any given topic.

 

[NUMBERICA]

From what I've read from the majority of posters it seems to fit just fine.

And on a side note, I've stated multiple times that I don't agree with the team not commiting to our young players, and I also don't agree with a lot of Corbin's decisions regarding rotations, and the offense. However, I don't let that change my judgement of what's going on, on the court. Which happends to be a season, where we're in the top end of the leauge in every offensive category, and we're the 7th seed in the west.

I understand where people are coming from, but making us seem like the worst team because of our offense and defense, doesn't reflect what's actually happening on the court especilly statistically.

Again, I haven't seen anybody say the Jazz are the worst.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I usally just stay in my Jazz channel thread, but the amount of exaggeration and pessimism I read, does not match what I see, during the multiple times I watch these games, and the stats I see about the team on both basketball reference and Nba.com. Not to mention the 7th seed we're holding steady at.

Reading this forum, with no prior knowledge about any of that, you'd have to conclude we we're 15 games out of the playoffs, with Coach smart(sac) at the helm of the team.

seesms you are falling for the jazz pr propagnda.
look at the empty seats. look at the general attitude on this board.

 

[DutchJazzer]

So I found the rest of the stats

Jazz this season offensively

11th in offensive rating
11th in ppg
9th in the leauge in assist
JAZZ USED TO BE FIRST (top 3 for years even after stockton left and even without deron)
14th in the leauge in fg%
JAZZ USED TO BE FIRST YEAR IN YEAR OUT
9th in the leauge in 3 point percent%
11th in the leauge in fewest turnovers

So I'll just leave that there

what about defensive stats
points in the paint
opp fg%
point differentail?